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post #1 of 19 (permalink) Old 09-27-2011, 09:06 AM Thread Starter
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CGC failure (pending)

Abby and I are going to classes for CGC. It is likely that she will pass
all the sub-tests but fail the one that requires me to leave her with
someone and go out of sight for 3 minutes. I am not so sure that I
mind that. After reading about the stolen GSD, I am glad that she
does not like to stay or go with someone else. Since she handles all
other tests well I will consider her a success even though she is not certified.
I would be glad to get any more opinions on this. Thank you.
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post #2 of 19 (permalink) Old 09-27-2011, 09:11 AM
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I'm planning to have mine tested next month too and Kaiser's going to fail the separation part. He can be handed off but he'll whine his head off. Even if it's someone he knows, he still fusses the first time I walk away. Raven is used to being handed off to people.

I've heard it helps to give a command... tell her to stay which should mean stay put and quiet until you return. You can practice this at home. The classes should help you practice leaving her with a friendly stranger.
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I have a working search dog and I regularly have to hand him off to other people and he goes willingly. It also makes life at the vet etc easier.

He does not go if I do not make a handoff. I think what happened there with the dog being stolen the way it was is more the exception than the rule.

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I have a working search dog and I regularly have to hand him off to other people and he goes willingly. It also makes life at the vet etc easier.

He does not go if I do not make a handoff.
Nancy, Do you have a specific word you use to let him know he should go willingly?
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No but I hand the lead over. He seems to understand the handoff.

Anyone on our team needs to be able to take him from his crate too, but if we are in a bad place on a search I lock it. He goes pretty ballistic in the truck if he does not know you.

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I don't really like this test item either. Yes I hand off my dogs to other people and they are fine but never a stranger as the test indicates. But anyway, I generally train this as an obedience exercise - a long down. So in the dog's mind, s/he is just doing a down with me out of sight. It is about the obedience to them and not about being "abandoned" with a complete stranger. I ask the "stranger" not to touch or talk to my dog and I tell my dog to down/platz. At home I just practice long downs while I leave the room, walk around the house, etc.
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Jane (onyx'girl) had a fantastic idea for training the supervised separation drill in this thread:
https://www.germanshepherds.com/forum...ml#post2053706

Her advice is what I used with my girl, who was (just slightly) able to pass. I'm with you- there's not a chance I'd hand my dog to a stranger "in real life" and walk away for 3 mins. I was able to teach the behavior just enough to pass. I"m ok with that.

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I want to get Lakota retested in January, I am lucky she was ok with the stranger. She's just not fond of being petted on top of her head she'll pull her ears flat and close her eyes like I beat her or something. I have taught my dogs "you wait here" when I am doing something that I can't have them come with me, they know I am continuing with what I am doing without them. I would rather use something like that because if you tell them stay and they break.

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Thanks for all your input and advice. It is very helpful to get your experience and
perspective. In class the instructor said not to use any command, to just hand
her off. I was out of the room 10 seconds and Abby was dragging the instructor
towards me. I will try all of your training tips.
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This is one we had to work on also. The best suggestion I can give to you is keep trying and hopefully with time she will get more familar with the fact you are coming back . Everyones situation is different but being in a more rural area I would walk to the grocery store, hand her off to a worker taking a break and do a quick shopping trip. It worked for us.

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