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Do Dogs Really not Know...?

Everything I have read, and have followed, says that after a dog has done something (for example, chewing up the couch when you're gone), it's pointless to punish them when you find it, because they won't know why you're puninshing them.

However, Aiden chews up the couch all the time. I have not punished him for it, except for when I caught him chewing on it. Same with him peeing in the house.

Every day I come home to the couch chewed up or a giant pee puddle in the floor, he runs away from me like I'm an axe murderer. He has no reason to be afraid of me, because I have never yelled at him, spanked him, rubbed his nose in the couch foam/pee, etc. I just bite my tongue and clean it up and ignore him.

What are your thoughts? Do dogs really not know why they're in trouble if you punish them after the fact? (I wouldn't do it, but I'm curious what you guys think).

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This is a great post. I question this too.

When I walk into the kitchen and find garbage on the floor and turn to look at Mac and he lays on the groun in submission...I'm pretty sure he knows
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Maybe he is picking up on your reaction when you "bite your tongue". If he senses you're frustrated or upset, even if you don't yell at him he could be reacting to that. I wish I could put it better, hopefully you'll know what I mean.

I've had Gunnar and Cass look "guilty" if I get frustrated at something not even related to them. As an example, if I get upset at a play in a football/baseball game I'm watching on TV and let out a "damnit" or something like that, they will look guilty or nervous. I've never yelled at either of them or hit them, but they are reading something in me that makes them react.

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Everything I have read, and have followed, says that after a dog has done something (for example, chewing up the couch when you're gone), it's pointless to punish them when you find it, because they won't know why you're puninshing them.

However, Aiden chews up the couch all the time. I have not punished him for it, except for when I caught him chewing on it. Same with him peeing in the house.

Every day I come home to the couch chewed up or a giant pee puddle in the floor, he runs away from me like I'm an axe murderer. He has no reason to be afraid of me, because I have never yelled at him, spanked him, rubbed his nose in the couch foam/pee, etc. I just bite my tongue and clean it up and ignore him.

What are your thoughts? Do dogs really not know why they're in trouble if you punish them after the fact? (I wouldn't do it, but I'm curious what you guys think).
Everyone has a different opinion, but I believe they do know. When JAG was first issued to me, he would chew on the couch cushions when I was not watching him. When I would come in and see the pieces laying in the floor, I would pick them up and spank him with them. It took about 4 times of him doing this and he has never done it since then. Same situation with the cat bowl. It took about 3 times with it and he has never done it since either.

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I've had Gunnar and Cass look "guilty" if I get frustrated at something not even related to them. As an example, if I get upset at a play in a football/baseball game I'm watching on TV and let out a "damnit" or something like that, they will look guilty or nervous. I've never yelled at either of them or hit them, but they are reading something in me that makes them react.
I think Ozzy is dyslexic when it comes to reading emotions. LOL There will be a dog that clearly does not want to play with him, and I'll have to tell him to leave it, because he just tries to play and is excited. Or if I'm mad, that's when he's the happiest and is up my buttcrack. He can read sorrow pretty well though, and he turns into a cuddlebug. Other than that, though, nope.

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LOL, I've never heard of a dyslexic dog, but anything is possible.

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I'm curious about this too, but I'm almost certain they do know.

Also this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=yJHuJNyIB7k

(somebody else posted it in another thread, but I had to share it here!).
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Does he run away AFTER you see the damage? Because they can read minds.
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Does he run away AFTER you see the damage? Because they can read minds.
Sometimes he'll run before I see it.

Hmm, so now I KNOW he knows! Haha.



And that poodle video is one of the funniest I've seen in a while. LOL

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Oh I'm certain they know. Jax chewed one of the pedals on my elliptical a few months ago and I can still point to it and ask "did you do that?" and his ears go back in his "beaten dog" pose. I've never hit him but he knows when he's done something wrong... I think the fun of destruction outweighs his conscience sometimes.
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