This may be going out on the limb here but when you said "I felt that failure was eminent" i think you sealed your own demise....
Hope that limb isn't too far off the ground
. I know I'm relatively new here but when I said "I felt that failure was eminent" I was only referring to failure with that particular exercise at that moment. I try to end each little training session on a high note with success and lots of praise and I couldn't see how I was going to achieve that when Ridley was suddenly more interested in Dad and Rennie than me and the treat bag. It wasn't a planned distraction but it raised an issue that I wanted to find a better way to handle. Overall, training continues to be a success.
I have very little patience with training as well, Ive never been very good at it strictly for wanting (like everyone else) too much out of the dog too soon...BUT I have slowly been overcoming my own downfalls the more that I train my new pup. Anyway what I mean is you have to trust in your dog to do it right....if you feel she's going to fail, Ive come to learn she WILL. I think my dog can sense my own emotions and when I get worked up and think to myself "this isn't going to work" it usually doesnt...but if I remain calm, work her through it, and let her do what she needs to do the outcome is much different and often very surprising (in a good way)
Actually, I have tons of patience with training. During Ridley's first week with us I spent more time on the floor with him (5 minutes here, 5 minutes there) doing little exercises to get him used to his new surroundings. Bumps in the road are just challenges for me - I know I don't have all the answers so I come here and/or talk to my trainer. This isn't my first time training a dog but this time my kids are grown and I have more of my own time to read, study, and practice what I've learned. I'm enjoying the heck out of it and Ridley is wonderful. I do trust in him and he trusts me. He's also a full spirited puppy so sometimes, the exercises don't go quite as I planned. Since I couldn't figure out how to salvage this particular exercise I decided to look here for suggestions.
Since I mentioned my trainer I'll explain that she is also Ridley's breeder. We live a couple of hours away from her so our sessions are spaced pretty widely apart although she's always available to me by phone or email. I opted to train with her because she's amazingly good. When I went to see Ridley she had me handle him and in about 5 minutes I came away feeling like I had learned more than I ever learned in a 6 week AKC ob class. We also spent about 4 hours watching her work with her Sch Club and I was sold on her and the puppy.
Also what has been helping me a lot lately is impulse training or getting eye contact before she is allowed to do ANYTHING.... Ive just started this the past week and a half or so and it has already made a TREMENDOUS difference.
I make her sit before feeding her...when she looks at me I release
I make her sit before going outside (with the door wide open)...when she looks up at me release.
Same with squirrels/birds etc. on walks, I'll let her chase them a bit but she is learning she wont be allowed until she asks me (by making eye contact) for permission.
I started all of these things with Ridley the day I got him and I agree, it's amazing how quickly they can be taught and what a difference it makes in every day life. Rex, our last male, was of similar size as Ridley and we never taught him things like this. Consequently, his "manners" were atrocious. In his last few years I did teach him to sit and wait for his food bowl but it never occurred to me to do the same with other things. Ridley knows to go in his crate (bed) and platz with no antics, he knows when I return he must do the same no matter how excited he is and he can't come out until I release him even though I may open the door and wait just a bit. Lots of other little things. As my trainer has said I need to teach him that all good things come from me. So far so good, and we're finding new things to incorporate every day.
Basically she must make eye contact with me before ever making her own decision....its helping with off leash training as well.
I dont know if this is a formal technique of training but I recently read an article about eye contact being a great tool and it has completely changed the way we work in a positive direction.... try it out and let me know what u think....if she looks at u for permission before you release her it will be easier to hold her there longer.
Just my 2 cents.
I haven't really done this in a specific way with off leash training yet but it makes sense. I still periodically do a little "watch" exercise with him. I did it initially to get him used to his name (Ridley, eye contact, click, treat, repeat). Then went to longer intervals, etc. It's not an overnight thing but I see a huge difference in his focus.
Thanks for your input. Like I said, I'm "relatively" new to this forum but I've actually been around lurking for years. If we talk training philosophies I'm very much a believe in primarily positive reinforcement and I am sold on the way good trainers break everything down into small pieces. This is what my trainer does and though I can't see the big picture on how to get from the baby steps to a SchH3 title (which is not really my goal) I can see through her dogs that it's quite possible! I'm still learning how to do this and how to put things back together and love that I can come here to get insight.