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post #1 of 26 (permalink) Old 08-05-2010, 12:37 AM Thread Starter
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What do you think of a training method that seems to be based on the e-collar? My neighbor is using this with her 4 month old Cavalier King Charles Spaniel. You know, a breed known for dominant and vicious behavior. I feel sorry for poor little Lily. She's such a sweet, docile little baby. Seems like overkill.

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Have not trained with one but trained appropriately and under the right circumstances it can be an appropriate and useful tool in training. IMO, using it with a four month old puppy most of the time is not appropriate or under the right circumstance.

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I would not use E collar unless dogs are older than 6 months old.

If you set it at the right working level, it is a wonderful tool to train your dog without creating stress and conflict.
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I would not use E collar unless dogs are older than 6 months old.

If you set it at the right working level, it is a wonderful tool to train your dog without creating stress and conflict.
Would it be your tool of first choice meaning, would it be the primary tool you used to train every dog?

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Would it be your tool of first choice meaning, would it be the primary tool you used to train every dog?
Absolutely not, and especially not on a young puppy like little Lily. There are a number of ways to go, this is just one approach (which by the way is often NOT used correctly.) Everyone thinks it's wonderful because it generally results in faster learning (if you had a collar around your neck when you were learning to type for example, which gave you an electric correction when you made a mistake, you'd probably speed up and get it right too...) I think a puppy should be having fun, with toys and treats not e-collars.
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I can see and understand the value for a big, rowdy, ADD-type (and older) puppy or dog or a dog that had proven to be extremely stubborn but watching the trainer with Lily...honestly she looked like she was afraid to move. It was awful to watch. I almost feel like crying just thinking about it.

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Personally I don't see the value of using an e-collar for obedience/basic training. It seems like way overkill to me.


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I used alpa type training on our lab 20 years ago. Now I'm using rewards. IMO electric collars are dangerous if used when frustrated. If it's the type I'm thinking of it'a all too easy to crank it up when you should be walking away. I'm much more patient than I used to be and if a walk or training session isn't going well, I end it.
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Personally I don't see the value of using an e-collar for obedience/basic training. It seems like way overkill to me.
It is - but it's become the fad tool of choice. People in agility are using it now if you can believe it. It's just so EASY - and since you aren't the one feeling it, it is also easy to crank it up to the point I have seen in SchH clubs, where the dog is crying out and shaking its head because it is so uncomfortable. Max von Stephanitz said that it was the trainer who was responsible for the mistakes not the dog - and I think that is true. One doesn't know if he would have approved of the e-collar or not, but for sure I don't think he would have approved of many of the people wielding one. I too am sorry for Lily - she should have been clicker trained and having fun.
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Personally I don't see the value of using an e-collar for obedience/basic training. It seems like way overkill to me.
Great tool for recall training,IF it is used properly!
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