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Does sit mean sit or did you train stay/wait?

I'm curious which way you trained your dogs, why and if you wish you had done something different and why.

I taught Dante sit, down, etc and then either wait or stay depending on the situation.

Now part of me wishes I had simply taught him that sit/down/etc mean sit/down/etc until I release him. Seems silly to have two commands instead of just one.

So what did you do and why?
Do you wish you had done it differently and why?

(I'm not sure how training in various sports impacts these commands, hopefully we'll get some people in here to answer!)


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Re: Does sit mean sit or did you train stay/wait?

Great post Barb, I have also been wishing I had taught sit as a sit without moving until released.

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Re: Does sit mean sit or did you train stay/wait?

I teach sit, down, and stand all as meaning "assume this position and stay in this position until given a release command". I just don't find having a dog sit briefly and then pop up to be useful and don't want to have to give the additional stay command.

I do use "stay" also, but that's more to reinforce a longer stay, for example if I'm going to walk away and leave the dog.

I also use "wait" but that is usually used without a sit/down etc. command accompanying it. We use "wait" to mean "freeze until released". For example when I'm hiking with the dogs off leash and want a minute to catch up, or before I release them to get out of the car (they are only allowed out of the car with a release command).


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Re: Does sit mean sit or did you train stay/wait?

I taught sit, down but I also us stay to reinforce whatever
I want him to do.

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Re: Does sit mean sit or did you train stay/wait?

Depends. Ideally it means sit until otherwise instructed but in day-to-day situations I'm bad at reinforcing the built in stay, so it's not the dog's fault.

The last trial I did was with Kenya. She had to do a sit out of motion and a down out of motion and did them both, but there were other excersizes where I was permitted to reinforce the command, so I gave her the "wait" signal since there was no penalty.
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Re: Does sit mean sit or did you train stay/wait?

I taught sit and stay separately, because I use stay in conjunction with lay, and other commands, too. Looking back, I think I also kept them separate for consistencies sake (and laziness), because if I couldn't reinforce the "stay" I didn't want to use it.

I agree with DMC "place" is awesome. I think it is one of the most useful commands my dog knows.

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Re: Does sit mean sit or did you train stay/wait?

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Originally Posted By: Barb E.I'm curious which way you trained your dogs, why and if you wish you had done something different and why.

I taught Dante sit, down, etc and then either wait or stay depending on the situation.

Now part of me wishes I had simply taught him that sit/down/etc mean sit/down/etc until I release him. Seems silly to have two commands instead of just one.

So what did you do and why?
Do you wish you had done it differently and why?

(I'm not sure how training in various sports impacts these commands, hopefully we'll get some people in here to answer!)

Barb, I did the exact same! I taught them seperately and wish I hadn't. I could probably go back and fix that but
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Re: Does sit mean sit or did you train stay/wait?

I taught "sit" and then "stay/wait" separately. However, somehow, she understands "sit" means to hold that position for an extended period of time... not just put your butt on the ground. "Stay/wait" means that this is going to be a long period of time, I might walk away from you, I might leave your line of sight, I might do all sorts of crazy things, but you're still expected to stay there."

I didn't realize that she understood "sit" in this way until I was handling someone's Doberman for a minute in our last obedience class and every time I told him to sit, he'd put his butt on the ground and then pop back up.

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Re: Does sit mean sit or did you train stay/wait?

For us sit means you do not move and down means you do not move.

Now I also teach this in my classes as well Stay only come into place when they must stay in an area but are free to move around like behind a baby gate...

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Re: Does sit mean sit or did you train stay/wait?

Only one command, sit means sit until you tell the dog to do something different. I used to do sit, and then with a hand signal tell Timber to stay. Now we are working on a single command.
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