Originally Posted By: doggiedadwe read the same article. nice greeting must happen 8 out of 10 times.
i was thinking nice greeting should happen all of the time (10 out of 10).
Eventually, yes. But that doesn't happen in the first training session, it takes some time, some practice, and some generalization to new people/places/situations before the dog becomes reliable. Generally you don't need absolute 100% perfection in any skill before you progress to the next level of class because you're going to continue to work on that skill in the next level, usually under more challenging conditions. The 8 out of 10 times is just the minimum requirement to move on to Level 2. There is no point in increasing difficulty until the dog has mostly mastered a skill at a lower level of difficulty. It sounds like you're deliberately misreading the article for the purpose of arguing against it. As you can see, at each level the criteria is increased:
Quote:The polite-greeting skill difficulty increases with each level. For Level 1, the dog must sit for greetings and not jump up in at least 8 out of 10 times as someone approaches. For Level 2, the dog sits for greetings, and the greeter pets the dog on his head or scratches under his chin without the dog jumping up at least 8 out of 10 times. In order to complete Level 3, the dog must be able to walk up to another dog and human, with dogs walking on the outside, further away from each other, human on the inside, closer together, as they approach. Both dogs stop and sit while handlers stop, greet each other, shake hands, and walk on.
Originally Posted By: doggiedadone of the key steps in training my dog not to jump on people
was not giving him a chance to jump on people. when greeting i made the leash shorter so he couldn't jump up. if he did jump he couldn't go to high.
The difference between your method and the article is management vs training. By holding your dog on a tight leash which would not allow your dog to jump, you took that choice away from him - he didn't jump because he COULDN'T jump. Because you paired this with lots of reinforcement for not jumping, he learned that it was much better not to jump. But Miller gives the dog the choice and shows him why it's better to CHOOSE not to jump. It's just a difference in training styles, that's all, nothing wrong with either one.
In one of Cassidy's classes there was a horrendous jumper. Lisa, the trainer held a treat up over the dog's head and it jumped up to try and get it over and over and over....then the second it stopped jumping and sat, she marked it and delivered the treat, just like Miller describes. It took just a few minutes for that dog to realize that jumping did not work to get him what he wanted. This part is key:
Quote:NOTE: In these exercises, itís important that you wait for your dog to sit of his own volition; do not ask him to sit. You want him to choose to sit without being asked, and the way to achieve that is to simply ignore the behavior you donít want and reward the behavior you do want. If you ask him to sit, he may learn that he should sit for people when you (or they) ask him to, but heís allowed to jump up if you donít ask.