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post #1 of 20 (permalink) Old 03-25-2009, 10:47 AM Thread Starter
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Help me with a fetch problem....

I'm trying to develop Nikon's ball drive and also condition him for the Sieger show. I'm supposed to add in a bit more exercise, and try to do activities where he carries a toy b/c sometimes he gaits with his head down. So I figured fetch is perfect for all three. He is not outing yet and I don't want to get into that so I start with two toys - a Gappay ball on a string and the floating Kong that's on a rope. The first few sessions were great, he fetches one, brings it back, and if he doesn't drop it I distract him with the other until he wants that one instead. The third fetch session, he decided that the Kong toy was better, so it took a little more work with the ball getting him to drop the Kong. He also though it would be fun to come back but stop about 15 feet from me, drop whichever toy he fetched, and just stand there. If I go to pick up the toy, of course he guards it and then at the last second he grabs it and tries to run. I feel like the game should end there, but now he wants to do this every time, and I don't know if he's smart enough to "get it" that I will walk away and quit because he's not coming all the way back to me. Last night I put a line on him and sort of reeled him in back to me and that did work, but it's such a mess. I nearly got clotheslined several times, a few times I threw the toy farther than the length of the line.

I know he CAN do this I just need to fix this new habit. Indoors, he has these Cuz balls and he will drop them in our laps and nudge at us until we throw them, so I know somewhere in his mind he has the concept of bringing the toy to US because we control the game.

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Re: Help me with a fetch problem....

Do you get him worked up while he's on the way back??

What I've seen people do is throw one toy, wait for the dog to pick it up and turn towards them and then they start teasing the dog with the other toy.
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Re: Help me with a fetch problem....

I call him back, squat down, clap my hands, and start waving the second toy or dragging it on the ground as he comes back. He will stop, drop the toy in his mouth (or keep holding it) and stare at me, the little turd! LOL He comes running *almost* all the way back.
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Re: Help me with a fetch problem....

Keep teasing him with the toy until he comes to get it.

If he likes one of the toys better go buy another one just like that.

When I watch people like Denise working Iso she throws one ball and as soon as he turns she's already getting him worked up qith the other toy. Iso usually drops the first one on the way to grab the second one.

If you want to teach a formal retreive and carry I would go about it differently.
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Re: Help me with a fetch problem....

Nah, nothing formal, just for fun/exercise. I'll try using two balls instead. Maybe he's a little TOO happy to have the kong toy.

One time he came all the way back but never did drop it, so I threw the second toy and he actually spent some time getting both in his mouth and bringing them back!
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Re: Help me with a fetch problem....

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Originally Posted By: Lauri & The GangDo you get him worked up while he's on the way back??

What I've seen people do is throw one toy, wait for the dog to pick it up and turn towards them and then they start teasing the dog with the other toy.
With Siren, I can't let her see the second one until she gets back to me, it she even so much as sees the second toy, she immediately drops the first one and comed running back "empty mouthed" for the second one.

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^ Even that would be OK as long as he comes back! I feel like he's wanting me to come get the toy FROM him, so he can run and have a chase or tug game.
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Re: Help me with a fetch problem....

I had the same problem with Dakota (now 8 mths old). She would retrieve in the house for a short distance. I called her back, squated down, clapped my hands and had a high level of excitement. When she brought it back I treated her with a food reward. At the same time I worked on 'drop it". Things went well - in the house.

Outside was a diaster. Started off in my small back yard. She would grab the ball then run around with it. It didnt' help as my husband made a sport of chacing her when she had something in her mouth. Fun game for him - messed up my training to retrieve. Tried it in a dog park - she would chace the ball, hold it in her mouth and run. Tried the two ball thing, and she would come back to me without the ball. Tried with the extendable leash, but reeled her in like a fish and she would drop the ball. I was disappointed as I wanted a dog to play fetch. Didn't give up. Husband still chased her and I wanted to leash him to hold him back , but that didn't work lol.

A few weeks ago I bought a chuck-it, went to a field with just her and my husband (he promised not to chace her). 1st throw was by my husband (he wanted the toy) and she took off after it. I squated, clapped my hands, calling her and she came - with the ball and dropped it. I don't know what happened it just clicked, or did she do it because my husband threw it? Took her to a dog park with no other dogs around and she retrieved too, but the second another dog showed up she lost interest. I think Dakota has the attention span of a bug.

I did try it with a toy and no luck, she would not return it.

Ok, my suggestions would be - get your husband to try. I'm the one that trains her so maybe she tuned me out? Try inside first - a narrow hallway works because they can't go anywhere else.
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Re: Help me with a fetch problem....

I have no idea if my idea will help or hurt your conditioning you're trying to accomplish. What is a Seiger show!? (Sry if that's a dumb question ) But anyways...I taught Marshall by starting inside and treating when he brought back the object. Now whenever I throw something he automatically brings it right back.

BUT (LOL) he kind of does something different...

I can't really use a ball because he doesn't like to hand it over. He'll come right back to me but then chomp on the ball instead of handing it over. I'm not going for anything formal either...just play time.

I've always thought it was because he loves to play tug so much. I've kind of remedied the situation by using a toy on a rope or something like that to play fetch rather than a ball. Then he gets to tug and happily retrieves again.

I don't mind playing tug like this with him, but how would I go about teaching "out" so that he knows when he HAS to hand it over?

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Re: Help me with a fetch problem....

We were told at training to never pick up the toy if they drop it. It teaches them behaviour of picking it up and running and then changing the game into chase. That advice really worked and I will go over to the toy if he dropped it and kick it around and make a huge fuss until he picks it up and then will quickly praise and take it away just to start all over again. Got him to the point where he will bring the toy back to me but we're still working on him actually releasing! He likes tug too much to just leave the toy!

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