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Is your dog's obedience collar-dependent?

Regardless of what type of collar you used to train your dog - choke, prong, E - can you put your dog on a slip lead and get the same level of obedience from them?

Or better yet - what if your dog has NO collar (or lead) - then what happens?

If you take the (insert type here) collar off your dog and they suddenly have no idea what Heel means Ė their obedience is collar-dependent.

Mauser is the first puppy I've had that Iím able to really work on obedience without using a leash or collar. In our basic obedience class he does wear them but I can let the leash drag along the ground behind him and the trainer is ok with that. In Schutzhund I donít use a leash at all (not yet, anyway). At home he trains in the buff Ė no leash OR collar.

I find it much too easy to rely on the leash/collar as a training aid. Iíve realized that I did this with Kaynya. Instead of teaching her not to jump on people I use the leash to hold her back. Not hard to do when she only weighs about 10 pounds but NOT good training on my part. Now I have to completely retrain her.
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Re: Is your dog's obedience collar-dependent?

I kinda trained Grimm with hand signals.. and so he sorta hasta watch me. A Mean-n-Cruel Momma Depth Charge Voice is a good back-correction should "Epp-epp" fail me as a usual correction. I think we have used food lure, toy reward, so often when training for wacky fun in the livingroom, I can manage okay without a lead.. but NOT outdoors in public with distractions. Too risky, Grimm is impulsive and overenthusiastic.

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Re: Is your dog's obedience collar-dependent?

Kenya - yes. She has off-lead titles. Usually when we're walking in our neighborhood I let her drag her leash so I can focus on Nikon. She has also been off-lead in the last 3-4 training classes (obedience, rally, skills) we have been doing.

Coke - no, only at home or with little distraction.

Nikon - no, he's just a pup and we're not doing a lot of formal obedience until he matures. He is off lead in our yard (we have no fence) and he recalls, but he doesn't really have a "heel" or anything like that yet, even on a lead.
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Re: Is your dog's obedience collar-dependent?

I've always relied on leash & collar, but since yesterday's incident, no collars on in the house, and now they both have to be retrained! I've also found it hard to just control them without the collar on. Time for some new training techniques for me I guess.

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Re: Is your dog's obedience collar-dependent?

I never looked at it that way but yes I guess at this time we are collar dependant.My obedience trainers goal and mine is for the heel,sit ,stay and so on the be able to be done off lead.I honestly haven't tried the heel w/o a device because I haven't felt the need.Just because I am curious I will be trying it when she comes in.My goal for Athena is to not have to have her tied,leashed or e collared for her whole life.I want a dog like many people can accomplish that can know her boundries and live with in them but if need be, can be on a leash.I love her too much to not train her.

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Mauser is the first puppy I've had that Iím able to really work on obedience without using a leash or collar. In our basic obedience class he does wear them but I can let the leash drag along the ground behind him and the trainer is ok with that. In Schutzhund I donít use a leash at all (not yet, anyway). At home he trains in the buff Ė no leash OR collar.
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Re: Is your dog's obedience collar-dependent?

Lauri, what I meant to say is-- an easily-motivated workingline boy in the house working without a distraction? PERFECT without collar or lead! That same workingline boy being an adolesent out in public? Thank God for the collar and lead. Teenagerhood means high distractability, and "teenaged intensity" with these lines is "through the roof." Even with proofing, these are strong dogs, and going through teenagerhood is a challenge!

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Re: Is your dog's obedience collar-dependent?

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Yes or with no collar at all. Collars are a TRAINING aid, a means to an end, especially for those of us who compete.

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I find it much too easy to rely on the leash/collar as a training aid.
I have come to realize this with my guys too, to an extent. If I am going to a "doggie event" at the local park where I know there will be LOTS of people and dogs, mine will wear a prong collar but not necessarily have the leash connected to it. So we are still semi dependant on it.

What I am "hoping" to accomplish with my next dog is for him/her to be trained primarily leash free. I know I WILL need to teach with a leash but my game plan is to work as much as possible with the leash on the ground instead of in my hand. It will be an undertaking but my goal is to do as much "basic" training as possible without a leash and slowly up the distractions. Essentially I will be challenging myself to become a better doggie communicator/leader/trainer by not being so dependant on the leash.


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Re: Is your dog's obedience collar-dependent?

Brady is trained with hand signals
but around other dogs Need my prong

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