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post #1 of 28 (permalink) Old 05-17-2018, 05:06 PM Thread Starter
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Landsharking and IPO

HI guys!

We are not really having a problem with landsharking at the moment, but I have noticed Genali being much more aggressive with her toys (She absolutely told her stuffed groundhog OFF this morning.) and some really aggressive chewing. SHe has some swollen buds in the back of her mouth, not bad swollen just obviously teething now.

She does pretty good with not gnawing on me, but she has got me a couple times. I don't do the yelp thing. I guess I am old school. I give her a stern loud NO!, walk away and ignore her. If she follows, I will leave the room and shut the door behind me.

BUT, reading the most current thread about biting puppies made me think. I am hoping that, once I get my health issue resolved, Genali and I can enter the world of IPO. I've been very careful in our training to not break confidence or drive, have actually been doing drive building games with the flirt pole.

For those of you that do IPO, what methods do you use to prevent landsharking?

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Can someone explain what IPO is?


Mei is also getting aggressive with her toys, tearing them apart and what not.
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How old is your pup? The whole land shark thing is normal and in my experiance little as I have, it usually stops when teathing is over. My dog actually got better once we started doing some bite work but that could have been because he had an outlit for his biting. I stay away from stuffed toys even now at a year and a half, he just tears them to shreads.

@Mei IPO also known as Schutzhunz is a dog sport with obediance, tracking, and protection.
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Iím not following how the two are connected.

Bitework in IPO comes way way after a GSD should be through landsharking.

I guess maybe youíre asking how you deal with a pup youíre intentionally increasing the drives of for later IPO work?

Cause I personally donít do that with a puppy thatís still teething, I just bond and enjoy them. You can maxamize a dogs drives in a couple weeks to a month, Iíve never received an adequate explanation of why it has to done at 20 weeks, other than it looking cool on instagram.
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Lol, I am pretty camera shy, so I don't do Instagram, or twitter or even Facebook. My true calling in life was to be the weird hermit-lady with dogs and goats.

I am bonding and enjoying Genali through time spent in play and in training. One does not have to choose between bonding and training, as training is an excellent way to build trust in the relationship and build confidence in a dog/pup. The way I train her now will impact her for the rest of her life, and because of this, the training now could hinder or help her success in IPO. I want to ensure that I am doing nothing that will hinder her. I want to give her the best start that I can.

My concern with the landsharking is ensuring that my corrections don't create a bite inhibition that will hinder the bitework that we will be starting in a couple weeks when we go to our trainer. I have my first session set up, but haven't gone yet, and am full of questions. I was hoping to find someone in here that could answer questions for a puppy in pre-IPO type training.







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Iím not following how the two are connected.

Bitework in IPO comes way way after a GSD should be through landsharking.

I guess maybe youíre asking how you deal with a pup youíre intentionally increasing the drives of for later IPO work?

Cause I personally donít do that with a puppy thatís still teething, I just bond and enjoy them. You can maxamize a dogs drives in a couple weeks to a month, Iíve never received an adequate explanation of why it has to done at 20 weeks, other than it looking cool on instagram.

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Well, that is good to know, lol. She does pretty good with being gentle with me. Genali has destuffed 2 toys today, so I have removed everything that has stuffing. She only gets stuffie skins now. I am reallylooking forward to starting some bitework training with her.



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How old is your pup? The whole land shark thing is normal and in my experiance little as I have, it usually stops when teathing is over. My dog actually got better once we started doing some bite work but that could have been because he had an outlit for his biting. I stay away from stuffed toys even now at a year and a half, he just tears them to shreads.

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Let me rephrase then as my comment was taken the wrong way. I was sarcastically deriding the letís turn our pups into IPO 3 dogs by 9 months folks that are popular these days, not you specifically at all.

What I was getting at is I do tons of stuff with my pups, Iíve had them tracking at 12 weeks after their first shots for example, what I donít do is serious drive development/bite training etc till theyíre old enough to handle it.

Basically, if youíve turned your teething age pup into a tiny **** hound you should dial it back a notch.

I apologize my comment came off that way, pretty obvious reading it again that it would be. Mea culpa
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My concern with the landsharking is ensuring that my corrections don't create a bite inhibition that will hinder the bitework that we will be starting in a couple weeks when we go to our trainer. I have my first session set up, but haven't gone yet, and am full of questions. I was hoping to find someone in here that could answer questions for a puppy in pre-IPO type training.
Oh, so that’s your question. Should have read your whole post.

No, it won’t. There’s house rules and training field rules. she’ll figure out which is which. If you get bloodied up a bit training, let it ride though you’re right to want her to know it’s okay to go all out during training.
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Way back when my big-boy was a big-baby, we gave him plenty of opportunities to legitimately "land shark". He learned pretty quickly that when the gloves came out, or the rags, or the ball that had finger holds in it, that it was time for bitey games. Things got better as he finished teething. It did take awhile for him to figure out that not every touch was an invitation to rough house. Since he never really had to be corrected for biting, he hit the helper's sleeve like a tank.

That biting and wrestling and chasing are part of the natural growing process. It is good if you can find legitimate ways for your pup to use that skill.
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No need for apologies, its all good. I work in law enforcement, so I've developed a thick skin and a blunt tongue (not always an asset). I do appreciate your apology though, thank you.

I am in the same boat as Genali. Neither of us has ever done any sort of IPO. I may very well get to this trainer to find him amused by my silly notion. If so, we will just try something else.


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Let me rephrase then as my comment was taken the wrong way. I was sarcastically deriding the letís turn our pups into IPO 3 dogs by 9 months folks that are popular these days, not you specifically at all.

What I was getting at is I do tons of stuff with my pups, Iíve had them tracking at 12 weeks after their first shots for example, what I donít do is serious drive development/bite training etc till theyíre old enough to handle it.

Basically, if youíve turned your teething age pup into a tiny **** hound you should dial it back a notch.

I apologize my comment came off that way, pretty obvious reading it again that it would be. Mea culpa

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