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post #1 of 9 (permalink) Old 03-31-2018, 02:03 PM Thread Starter
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Working with 4 month old to stay.

Does any one have any tips on getting ur puppy to stay? We seem to be struggling with this one.
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post #2 of 9 (permalink) Old 03-31-2018, 02:21 PM
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I don't teach stay. I teach my puppy she is to remain in the position I leave her in until I release her. What you are desiring to teach is called duration. I put my puppy in a down and walk a few feet away, come back and give her a reward, and continue doing this over sessions/days/weeks until I can go out of her sight or a long ways away and she knows that a reward is coming at some point. This builds duration and ultimately you get a "stay" as long as you want until you release.

At 4 months old, I can put her in a down in my living room and walk down the hall out of sight and come back to her in the down. This will keep building from there.
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I think what we forget is that both distance and duration are important to consider. How long is your pup able to stay in a position without you moving away? Until your pup is able to maintain the position without moving while you are in front, I wouldn't even bother walking away. I would have my pup stay in a sit, down, stand, etc. with me in front and reward intermittently over time until I could have my dog in that position for let's say 30 seconds (30 seconds is quite a long time for a 4 month old pup!). Once your pup can do that consistently, THEN I would introduce distance. A couple of steps back for a few seconds to start, then slowly increase the time.

Always work on duration, then introduce distance. When you do both at the same time, it can set you both up for failure.
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post #4 of 9 (permalink) Old 03-31-2018, 04:05 PM Thread Starter
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Right now I get a couple seconds and then he cones to me. I would like to be able to throw the toy and have her wait till I say get it.
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Too much too soon. Distance, duration, distraction - build on each one separately. Right now you’re adding distraction and you don’t even have duration. If your puppy comes to YOU after 4 seconds, that means you return to HER (and reward) after 2 seconds.... don’t let her be wrong.

In the instance of having her hold position until you throw the ball (which is a completely difference exercise) - stay next to her, hold her collar, roll the ball away... if she starts pulling say “wait” and the split second that she settles, say “get it” and release her collar... later you can progress to just and hand on her neck and then nothing.

I agree with the above poster that sit or down should imply a stay already... however I teach stay so that it differs from wait (in the dogs mind as far as what comes next). Stay (long term) means stay put until I return to you... wait (short term) means wait until I release you. Example - sit, stay, I walk away for a period, I return, I release. VS. sit, wait, I walk away, and I recall you to me (or release you to eat or exit the car, or whatever).
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...all of that said, I’d never torture myself in trying to teach a four month old to stay, lol
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I guess that is alot to ask to stay when I throw a toy. That s like me waiting if someone threw an ice cream cone. Not going to happen. Lol. Do u feel I'm to early to teach the stay or wait command at 4 month?
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Pups vary, as well as handler skill. Generally speaking, no, it’s not too soon to reach anything - however it needs to be at the appropriate level with appropriate expectations.... keeping in mind that with puppies it’s often two steps forward and one step back (or however that saying goes). A lot of this will have to be reintroduced and proofed during the teen years, but at least you’ll have a good foundation.

So often you hear “my puppy is so smart, they know xx amount of commands at just 10 weeks old” only to later see “help! My 7 month old won’t listen to me!”

I have a dog trainer friend that says - unless your dog will comply 100% of the time off leash in the middle of Times Square... you’ve still got work you can be doing.

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Thanks for ur responses
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