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post #1 of 17 (permalink) Old 06-10-2013, 08:54 AM Thread Starter
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Do you use the "stay" command?

I am training her to sit and stay with just the "sit" command. I'm doing this with the down command also.

Is there really a need for "stay"?

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post #2 of 17 (permalink) Old 06-10-2013, 09:15 AM
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Absolutely, it trains them to "freeze" and wait, it can be very helpful in a emergency situation. Say the dog gets out the front door and is running around the street, get the dogs attention and telling them to "stay" forces them to freeze to that spot so you can grab them safely. A knife or something dangerous falls to the floor, put them in a down stay and you can safely remove the dangerous object without them getting in the way.

There are multiple good uses for the command

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For me it helps distinguish from "wait" where I want to go first and then call them over. With "stay" I don't call them over; they have to wait there for me to come back. It's also useful when I want them sitting as the 'default' if they want something and I don't want to have to release them each time they do it on their own. Mine will sit in front of me if they want some tasty food I'm holding, for instance.
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No. If I tell my dogs to "sit" " down" or " heel" , they do it until I tell them to do something else.


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How old is your dog? I prefer laying an obedience foundation using food and prey drive/toy. I don't use stay but use a release command such as "free" or "okay" to let the dog know that he can stop the sitting, down or whatever behavior. With the release, you can again offer a lot of praise for being successful. Then you gradually increase the length of the behavior, such as the sit or down, while adding distance between you and your dog. Eventually the dog will be well trained and there is no need for a stay command. It is just another word that has no meaning to the dog and it is difficult to convey the meaning of stay and more efficient to use a release command.
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I'm with GSDSAR. I don't use a stay command. If I tell my dog to sit, down, heel, it does that until released or told another command. The use of a stay is just added words.
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post #7 of 17 (permalink) Old 06-10-2013, 12:21 PM
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I don't either because it is too close sounding to the "sthey" command in german which means stand.

If I say sit or down (or sitz or platz) the dog is expected to maintain that position until released.

I use english commands around the house and german when working IPO.
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Nope. If I say down, that means down and he can't move.


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post #9 of 17 (permalink) Old 06-10-2013, 12:45 PM
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It depends.

With the fosters, if I have time, I do teach a "Stay" because most adopters will expect it and so the pup might as well know what it means.

With Pongu I initially taught "Stay" as a separate command for the same reason that I initially did not teach an automatic Sit at Heel when I stopped -- because we were training in freestyle at the time and you do things a little differently in that discipline to get a smoother-flowing routine.

Currently Dog Mob does not need a separate "Stay" command, they just hold position until I tell them to do something else. Sometimes I give it anyway for clarity though; it's basically a secondary cue that I sometimes find helpful as a reminder under stress. "Wait" is a separate thing to them; it basically means "do not pass this doorway until I say you can, but you don't have to hold a particular position in the meantime."

I'm working on getting Pongu to Stay during heeling when I lead off with my right foot and come with me when I lead off with my left foot (i.e., standard competition obedience footwork) but we're not there yet.

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Several times a day. For example, before she gets out of the car I tell her to stay while I pick up her leash to attach it to her collar. If my dog starts walking too far ahead of me, I tell her to stay until I catch up. When I'm at our office, I'll have her stay at the top of our outdoor stairs while I walk to the car, open it, and load some things inside. Sometimes during training, I might be running my dog through a course and then unexpectedly may need to stop (due to a loose dog) and stay is used as a "freeze" as Shade described in the 1st response.
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