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post #11 of 39 (permalink) Old 03-23-2017, 04:12 PM
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The pic isn't the best to determine full breed, but even being purebred the coloration is an automatically disqualifies her. Also to breed appropriately would need a pedigree history with Schutzhund or Herding titled dogs all that have been thoroughly health tested and xrayed. You would also have to title her in Schutzhund or Tracking, no other sport is considered qualifying by German breeding standards.


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The bitch is AKC. I admit the color does not really look GSDish to me, but I suppose if panda's are purebred, it might be too. In fact, I would be more likely to think this is than a panda.

Before I would breed this bitch, if at all possible, I would have the DNA checked with the AKC if the sire's DNA is on file. If the stud was used more than 3 times in a year, or 7 times overall, the DNA has to be on file. Because the coloring is strange, I would want to be as sure as possible that there wasn't a midnight caller.

Beyond that, what is your purpose in breeding the bitch?

What do you hope to produce in a litter out of your bitch?

What are your dog's faults and how will you address them in the dog that you choose?

What do you know about the process of breeding/mating/whelping/raising a litter?

Do you have someone hands-on that can walk you through any difficulties with whelping the litter, raising the puppies, and finding good homes for them?

There is actually a lot to consider, some risk involved, and time and effort before, during, and after the acts of mating, whelping, and raising the litter. It might be helpful to know what you have done so far and what your timeline is.

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Guys, so many questions that don't even hold any ground.

First of all, she is AKC registered, with a 4-gen pedigree and sire does have DNA so I WILL be doing testing.

Secondly, what kind of question is, what's your purpose in breeding the bitch? Ask any breeder that same question, because it's enjoyable and you want to see your dog's special (to you, of course you want to have valid proof) talents and just their bloodline in general be passed down assuming that the dog is suited for being purebred as in it continues the purebred standard of that breed...

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Why do you want to breed her? Has she proven herself in any way? Schutzhund titles, obedience titles, anything? Do you believe that she will better the breed and do you have a way to prove it? Has she had any health testing to see if she's a carrier of one of the many genetic problems that plague the breed? Do you even know of she's purebred? You litterally just asked in another thread if we think she's pure.

Why do you want to breed her?

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No, but doesn't mean she doesn't have potential. She's super fast and agile, obedient and calm, also very vocal like GSDs are known for... What I want to find out is how I can get her these titles and take her to trials and shows...

Her hips are super healthy, we had a vet check her teeth and he said they were unbelievably good looking. Thick fur around the neck, long neck, straight back, long legs... she's got everything going for her, that's why I want to breed.

None of you guys are even a bit discouraging me from breeding even though you want to be, cuz you don't know anything about the dog and you just assume it's bad.

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If you ask a reputable breeder why they bred a certain dog, they will answer with way more than "it's fun and she's a great dog with thick neck fur and good teeth."

The answer will be more along the lines of , "she has excellent nerve strength, courage that has been tested and evaluated, she is appropriately biddable and has a strong work ethic with solid Hunt drives, and a good balance of defense and prey drive. Her angulation is correct and she fits breed standard. We bred her to this male because because he brings power to guard, he has good bone, solid nerve and has proven work ethic through xxxx working endevour and testing. Together their pedigree bring in a 5-4 line breeding with xxx Vom kennel, which will add power and clear headedness to work but remain neutral in a family home"

There is so much that goes into breeding.

If you want to breed. Great. The world needs good conscientious breeders. So become one. PROVE that your girl has the qualities that make this breed great and deserves to pass on her genes. It means finding a mentor. Getting her out their and proving she has the necessary drive/work ethic/ structure to be considered. LEARN about your girl. Find and recognize her faults and work with someone who can help you decifer if those faults disqualify her.
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1. Go to a vet. Get her hips and elbows xrayed. Send them to the OFA/
2. Join a club or get a trainer. Choose a sport and train her. Title her.
3. Take her to conformation shows. If SV shows, get a rating on her. If AKC, put a title on her.

You need to prove that, other than your vet thinking she has nice teeth, thick fur around her neck, long neck, straight back and long legs (none of which is in the standard, by the way) that she actually has traits of the standard that should be carried on to the next generation to ensure the continuation of the breed.

Personally, I've seen dogs with the same pattern as this. One was on the WUSV team a couple of year ago. BUT her color is washed out and her head doesn't look right. The other dog had a great head and rich coloring.




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If you ask a reputable breeder why they bred a certain dog, they will answer with way more than "it's fun and she's a great dog with thick neck fur and good teeth."

The answer will be more along the lines of , "she has excellent nerve strength, courage that has been tested and evaluated, she is appropriately biddable and has a strong work ethic with solid Hunt drives, and a good balance of defense and prey drive. Her angulation is correct and she fits breed standard. We bred her to this male because because he brings power to guard, he has good bone, solid nerve and has proven work ethic through xxxx working endevour and testing. Together their pedigree bring in a 5-4 line breeding with xxx Vom kennel, which will add power and clear headedness to work but remain neutral in a family home"

There is so much that goes into breeding.

If you want to breed. Great. The world needs good conscientious breeders. So become one. PROVE that your girl has the qualities that make this breed great and deserves to pass on her genes. It means finding a mentor. Getting her out their and proving she has the necessary drive/work ethic/ structure to be considered. LEARN about your girl. Find and recognize her faults and work with someone who can help you decifer if those faults disqualify her.
they may say more than that, and that's why im here to learn... but they certainly got interested probably from those reasons. If you have an excellent health dog with high potential why wouldn't you want to learn about breeding at least to know your options and also get her properly vetted and trained?
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You would also have to title her in Schutzhund or Tracking, no other sport is considered qualifying by German breeding standards.


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???? Tracking????




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Find a German Shepherd Club or Schutzhund club in your area and GO, listen, learn, ask questions, find a mentor!
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"she has excellent nerve strength, courage that has been tested and evaluated, she is appropriately biddable and has a strong work ethic with solid Hunt drives, and a good balance of defense and prey drive.
All of those qualities come basically from a very strong and healthy dog that is trained well. Of course I want to say she has all of those qualities or at least the potential, I just need to start taking her to be tested and evaluated and that's basically what I'm asking.

Some people have posted links and suggestions I definitely am considerate of.

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Find a German Shepherd Club or Schutzhund club in your area and GO, listen, learn, ask questions, find a mentor!
I will! Thanks! That's what I wanted to hear about.

And thanks for your other post on my locked post by the way.
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