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post #11 of 46 (permalink) Old 03-13-2009, 11:19 PM
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Re: risking a human life for a dog

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Such a person's life is much more valuable than the life of any of my dogs.

Although I respect the view....I disagree. Humans, unfortunately, have done the horrors we have seen around this world - the holocaust, war, creation of bio-agents, experimentation on non-humans and even humans for drug trials. Dogs haven't done this.

I would say dogs teach us better how we should be as humans. Have fun and enjoy life. Forgive easily. Love unconditionally. Not worry about tomorrow.... I could go on and on.

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post #12 of 46 (permalink) Old 03-14-2009, 12:08 AM
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"Humans, unfortunately, have done the horrors we have seen around this world" <-- Dogs haven't created any horrors or great inventions because they don't have the mental capacity to do so... Can you name anything great a dog has created? How about something great a human has created? There you go. TJ's answer pretty much summed up my thoughts... I would never expect a fireman to go into a burning building to save my dog.. The only thing I would expect from them is to make way 'cause I'm goin in!

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Re: risking a human life for a dog

I think hope and expect can be looked at two different ways. I would hope that it could happen, but I do not expect it to happen.

I do not put the life of my dog over that of a humans. Sorry but I dont. I love my dogs, they are family and if it came to a fire, then I DO hope that they are able to be saved, but my first thought is my kids and husband.

We should not expect police and firefighters to go after animals. Its not always realistic, and while alot of them would do it if/when they can, they still have to maintain their saftey, the saftey of other officers/firefighters and any person/s or bystanders in/around the house.

An example. We had a HUGE fire at an old abandoned two story nursing home. It was BAD. Literly, we had three different counties there and that still wasnt nearly enough. Someone said something about some cats being in there. Should any of them risked going in? NO! They would have been putting themselves in severe unnecessary danger if they had. Maybe if it hadnt been so bad, it could have been possible, but like I said, it was bad. (It was suspected that someone set the place on fire on purpose)

It would be nice to say that YES, they should, and there are ALOT of them that would and will if its possible, but we should not expect it of them.

There were a few firefighters who were upset about the cats. To tell them that they were expected to go in and get them, with no regards to the saftey of themselves or others to me isnt right in the least.

As to dogs being "just a dog" in a sence, they ARE dogs. They are not humans. Doesnt mean that they should be loved or cared for anyless or any less part of the family. But they arent people, and while yes, people do horrible things, people also have the possiblity of doing great things. And yes, dogs do great things, but you have to remember that these dogs with jobs, were taught and trained to do that job, by a person.

But in short, I put no, as I do not expect anyone to go in after my pets. I would hope that they would/could, but realisticly it is not always possible to do so and for some, to be told they are expected to and cant, only makes their job harder IMO.

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Originally Posted By: MustLoveGSDsFor someone with the job such as a fireman I would expect them to since they are public servants.
Public servants does not unfortunately extend to the pet population.

I'm not saying all Fire Depts work like what I'm about to tell you, but my guess is at best that most do. Most if not all Fire Depts are required by law to attend the same training as every other dept so it's my guess this mindset is what's taught at training sessions. I got this directly from the Fire Chief himself.

You know those "Please save my dog in case of fire" type stickers for the windows in your house? Save your money, they don't mean diddly squat. Firefighters don't look for them and if they do see one, it's is not going to prompt them to honor the request.

Instead of repeating myself, here's the blog article:
http://www.rileysplace.org/save-my-pet-stickers-48.html

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Quote:I spent 28 years as a police officer and although it is not the job of a firefighter or police officer to attempt to rescue animals ~ I have seen it many times and respect and honor those who choose to do so.
Julie's hit the nail on the head. Saving our pets is not part of the job description of either position - those days are long gone. But there are those fellow pet lovers holding these jobs that WILL try. If they don't die trying, you can bet they're going to catch heck from their bosses for doing so.

So, if you wind up having your pet saved you not only owe them a huge thank you for saving your pet, but an additional one for bucking the brass and more than likely going against orders for which some bosses will dole out repercussions.

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Re: risking a human life for a dog

That's an interesting question. I voted no because the chance a person, possibly with children, might die attempting to save my dog or one of my horses for that matter is an unacceptable risk. That's why I try my BEST to keep them safe from fire- my horses are not stalled and therefore will never die in a barn fire, and if the woodstove is on and nobody is home Lucy is out in her kennel. I see it as the lesser of two evils and try to assess ALL risk when deciding where she is safest. You can't prevent everything but you can TRY- and you also can't expect a person to risk his or her life for an animal.

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Originally Posted By: ragingbullm"Humans, unfortunately, have done the horrors we have seen around this world" &lt;-- Dogs haven't created any horrors or great inventions because they don't have the mental capacity to do so... Can you name anything great a dog has created? How about something great a human has created? There you go.
Dogs have created tons of good memories for me, of which I will be cashing in on when I retire :-) They can also create an income for people who breed them or show them :-) But I digress....



I love these type of poll questions because they are so fun to see how people respond. It reminds me of the game of lifeboat....which can be used in the same scenario. What if there was a fire and a fireman could only save 1 person yet two were equally capable of being saved, yet time would only allow for one. Who would we expect the fireman to save and who should he save? The two people are a baby and a senior citizen. Would the baby be chosen because of the future potential of what he/she could do with their life and therefore benefit society or would the senior citizen be chosen, who most likely has stopped contributing to society and no longer creates anything new?

I have to say thank you Sue for writing this question. It is a very good, thought provoking question. Reminds me of my college days when I was taking a philosophy course. There are no right or wrong answers but certainly views and beliefs we all hold as personally true for us. And it is how we most likely would act or respond in a particular situation given our own personal values and beliefs.

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Simple, a Fireman, or anyone else shouldn't risk his/her life to save even the life of my child. It's the first thing anyone involved in rescue learns. It is not about if the live of the animal is something valuable or not, is about rescue itself, their goals and what happens to the whole picture when a rescueman gets injured or killed.

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Quote: Firefighters don't look for them and if they do see one, it's is not going to prompt them to honor the request.
I didn't bother going to the blog that says these are not important. Rather I've talked to many firefighters who say they are.

Having such a sticker may not prompt a firefighter to honor the request? Not quite sure what all that entails, but when you become a firefighter you take an oath to the best of your ability to protect the citizens and their property. It is also drilled into the heads of firefighters to stay safe to return to the firehouse and to their own homes and families.

Those stickers which so many people say are worthless, we've had that discussion here before, also have their believers. These stickers do save animal lives. They alert a firefighter to keep their eyes open for a specific animal. One story I like to tell is of a friend / past member of this site and the time she entered a home fire and noticed such a sticker by the door. It had said there was a pet snake in the home. Well, she is not really a fan of snakes (pet ones included) but she said when she saw a glass aquarium in the family room she told herself that inside was someone's loved pet. She did not make a special trip into that room to save the snake but while passing through doing a quick search for people she quickly reached into that tank and grabbed the snake. She then stuffed it into one of her pockets to keep it safe from the excessive heat and also because she could not hold onto it and do her job. When she finally was able to exit the structure and someone came up to help her off with her gear she asked if they could please first remove the snake from her pants pocket.

I've heard of many stories where firefighters have existed buildings with reptiles, birds, and other pets stuffed under a jacket if possible or else just carried out. And many of these were homes where no one was present that knew there was a pet inside. Sometimes it is just having a heads up to know to keep an extra lookout for the pet.

You may be surprised at how fast a firefighter can do a search of a room that is full of smoke and flames. There is no reguard at that time of neatness. Furniture is knocked away from walls, beds overturned, and items knocked out of closets, stuff kicked out of cupboards. These are favorite hiding places of children (and pets)and the worst fear a firefighter can have is passing a child by who is hiding. So while doing a search for people, a firefighter who has notice will also look harder for a pet.

I guess you can tell that I am a believer in these stickers.

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Oh OK. I am dumbstruck with this concept.

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