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Showing a long coat in AKC conformation?

I was invited to show Wolf in a puppy class at a nearby show at the end of July. The puppy class is for dogs 4 months to 6 months, and I figured why not. It will be fun! That said, Wolf is a WGSL long coat. I'm not looking to win, just to have fun, but want to make sure that a long coat isn't a disqualifying fault for GSDs in the AKC ring. I know it's considered a fault, but does it disqualify the dog? Again, we're just looking to have fun and get exposure.

What are considered disqualifying faults for GSDs in the AKC? I know a lot more about SV than AKC.
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Not listed as a disqualification

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Thanks! I read over the standard but didn't see the Disqualifications section there at the end. Any idea how harshly they fault it?

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Depends on the judge. I've seen dogs in the ring that were coats - sometimes they place, sometimes not. If you want to do the 4-6 puppy class, then go have fun!
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Interesting.

We have a separate class/division here for the long stock coats. Or is a long stock coat different to a long coat? They don't look different to me.
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Depends on the judge. I've seen dogs in the ring that were coats - sometimes they place, sometimes not. If you want to do the 4-6 puppy class, then go have fun!
That's the attitude I'm going in with. I just don't want to get DQed and not even be able to participate. Good to know it depends on the judge and isn't an automatic no-entry. A few of the websites I have read say long coats aren't even allowed in the ring. So confusing.

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Interesting.

We have a separate class/division here for the long stock coats. Or is a long stock coat different to a long coat? They don't look different to me.
In AKC, I think GSDs are all shown as one "breed," unlike collies that can be shown as smooth or rough. In the SV, they are two separate types (stock and long coat).

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I'm at a show right now. One of our club members showed a coated bi-color bitch this morning. She didn't place, but a lot of other dogs didn't either.
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In AKC, I think GSDs are all shown as one "breed," unlike collies that can be shown as smooth or rough. In the SV, they are two separate types (stock and long coat).
I have a SV registered long coat so I have been trying to understand the specifics (just out of curiosity). From what I understand the SV has two coat types - Stockhair and Longstockhair with undercoat. Longhair without undercoat is considered a breed fault, not acceptable for breeding.

Prior to 1999, longstockhair with or without undercoat was a breed fault.

From the 2013 SV Rules for Breeders and Breeding -
"This breed, the German Shepherd Dog, is allowed only two varieties of “Haararten” (coat types):
(1) straight-hair, medium-length topcoat, and (2) Langstockhaarigen (longcoat with woolly undercoat present).
Breeding the harsh-short-coated (normal) with longcoated dogs is not allowed. Dogs from such combinations
can be allowed no entry in the studbook or supplemental registries (Anhangregister). Breeding such dogs is
only allowed with others that are registered as being of the longcoat variety. "

I thought I saw some recent SV rule changes about about longcoats, but can't find it now...

From schaferhund.com - Breed standard

"The Coat

The medium smooth coated German Shepherd Dog - The outer coat should be as thick as possible and composed of straight, coarse hairs that lay close to the body. The coat is short at the toes, but it grows longer and more profuse on the neck. The hair grows longer on the back of the fore and rear legs as far down as the pastern and the hock joint and forms moderate trousers on the thighs. The length of the hair varies and due to these differences in length, there are many intermediate types. A too short mole-like coat is faulty.

The long smooth coated German Shepherd Dog - The individual hairs are longer, not always straight but definitely not lying close and flat to the body. The coat is considerably longer inside and behind the ears, on the back of the forearm and usually in the loin area. Often there will be tufts behind the ears and feathering from elbow from elbow to pastern. The trousers along the thigh is long and thick. The tail is bushy with light feathering underneath. This coat type is not as weather proof as the medium coat and it is therefore undesirable. However, if there is sufficient undercoat, it may be passed for breeding. Dogs with long coats are commonly narrow chested and have narrow over stretched muzzles. The dog with sufficient undercoat may be passed for breeding, depending upon the rules and regulations of the country.

The long coated German Shepherd Dog - The hair is appreciably longer that that of the long smooth coated dog and tends to form a parting along the back. If present at all, the undercoating will not be weather proofing nor of utility value and, therefore, should not be passed for breeding."
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I have a SV registered long coat so I have been trying to understand the specifics (just out of curiosity). From what I understand the SV has two coat types - Stockhair and Longstockhair with undercoat. Longhair without undercoat is considered a breed fault, not acceptable for breeding.

Prior to 1999, longstockhair with or without undercoat was a breed fault.

From the 2013 SV Rules for Breeders and Breeding -
"This breed, the German Shepherd Dog, is allowed only two varieties of “Haararten” (coat types):
(1) straight-hair, medium-length topcoat, and (2) Langstockhaarigen (longcoat with woolly undercoat present).
Breeding the harsh-short-coated (normal) with longcoated dogs is not allowed. Dogs from such combinations
can be allowed no entry in the studbook or supplemental registries (Anhangregister). Breeding such dogs is
only allowed with others that are registered as being of the longcoat variety. "

I thought I saw some recent SV rule changes about about longcoats, but can't find it now...

From schaferhund.com - Breed standard

"The Coat

The medium smooth coated German Shepherd Dog - The outer coat should be as thick as possible and composed of straight, coarse hairs that lay close to the body. The coat is short at the toes, but it grows longer and more profuse on the neck. The hair grows longer on the back of the fore and rear legs as far down as the pastern and the hock joint and forms moderate trousers on the thighs. The length of the hair varies and due to these differences in length, there are many intermediate types. A too short mole-like coat is faulty.

The long smooth coated German Shepherd Dog - The individual hairs are longer, not always straight but definitely not lying close and flat to the body. The coat is considerably longer inside and behind the ears, on the back of the forearm and usually in the loin area. Often there will be tufts behind the ears and feathering from elbow from elbow to pastern. The trousers along the thigh is long and thick. The tail is bushy with light feathering underneath. This coat type is not as weather proof as the medium coat and it is therefore undesirable. However, if there is sufficient undercoat, it may be passed for breeding. Dogs with long coats are commonly narrow chested and have narrow over stretched muzzles. The dog with sufficient undercoat may be passed for breeding, depending upon the rules and regulations of the country.

The long coated German Shepherd Dog - The hair is appreciably longer that that of the long smooth coated dog and tends to form a parting along the back. If present at all, the undercoating will not be weather proofing nor of utility value and, therefore, should not be passed for breeding."
Yes, I know the SV standard and how the SV operates. My boy is WGSL and SV registered. I'm wondering about AKC rules, as I have never shown in an AKC show.

If you have questions about long coats and the SV I can answer a lot of them. Fire away!

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