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post #1 of 17 (permalink) Old 05-23-2016, 06:17 PM Thread Starter
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Question DM or hip dysplasia?

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My GSD is 7 years old and has recently been diagnosed with severe hip displasia (by X ray). We have scheduled a consultation with an orthopedic surgeon to schedule a total hip replacement. In the meantime, I have sent in a DNA DM test to DDC to help rule out degenerative myelopathy.

My question is, anyone that has seen DM or evere HD - do the symptoms looks more like DM, HD, or both to you? Thank you in advance for your help.

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Well it takes a necropsy to determine DM. It's a process of elimination if it's nothing else, .. it must be DM. If the X-rays show Hip dysplasia, then most likely that is what it is.
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Here is an xray that shows the one hip being really bad... I hope its displaysia and not DM as well - and that the total hip replacement will fix it :/
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Have you considered an FHO as opposed to a total replacement?

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Really bad and really good hips are easy to recognize.....these will not pass, the one side is pretty obviously bad - the position is bad, but it would not change the shape of the femoral heads and sockets.



DM is progressive, and many people think that when their older dogs start to lose mobility it must be dysplasia, as DM is not as widely discussed.....

As stated, DM can only be 100% verified by autopsy....but really, teh signs are fairly obvious, and although a few other situations can cause similar symptoms - especially in dogs who have been worked in IPO and who may have been jammed or otherwise damaged - DM is progressive and does not show up on x-rays like this....this is definitely hips...

I would recommend a consult with a good othopedic surgeon, and conservative maintenance - keeping the dog lean, supplements and if your vet suggests adequan therapy, go for it as well...


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HD tends to be something quite painful. I feel like if this was just HD, the pain of it would be more obvious.
Where as DM has been know as a pain free condition in general. Tend to get scuff marks on their feet and their nails drag to the point of bleeding on occasions because they drag their feet around. Swaying hips. Hard time getting up, etc. The toe touching and not correcting when the toe is down, whereas a dog without DM would quickly fix it.
To me it looks more like DM than HD.. But i hope i am wrong, because your right HD there are things like THR and FHO. And im not a vet, even less a specialist in the matter, so i hope that the people who know what they are talking about get the results to you ASAP.

They do make wheelchairs for dogs with DM, gives them more freedom to run around and be mobile and have more life. So its not a death sentence in my mind, it just sucks for everyone, but i personally believe a dog can still be extremely happy and have great quality of life with DM.

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Thanks guys - we are going to the orthopedic specialist tommorrow for a consult and I should get the DM dna test results this friday.

Looks like most of the votes are for HD - another sign I forgot to mention is the whelp he let out when he jumped down from a 2 ft step - seemed like he was in pain when his hind legs came down.

I will post findings up when I find out - he is only 7 years old and his parents had good and excellent hips (but he was supposed to be a service dog, instead they sold him as a discount to me as pet). Given his relatively young age I think we will try THR if the surgeon says it'd HD.

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BTW- results just came in for DNA DM test... he tested a carrier A/G but is supposedly not at risk (A/A).
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BTW- results just came in for DNA DM test... he tested a carrier A/G but is supposedly not at risk (A/A).
Not at risk is the important point ... 70% of Boxers carry the DM gene.
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Misinformation abounds.

HD is painful. To what extant that shows depends on the dog. I have seen dogs with terrible hips never take a wrong step and others with mild HD screaming in agony at every move.

DM is completely painless, it destroys nerves and it IS a death sentence. It steals your dog one piece at a time and is relentless. It can be slowed but never stopped and the eventual outcome is more often determined by the owners then the disease. It becomes a question of what you can watch, and how much you can bear.
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