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post #1 of 11 (permalink) Old 01-13-2015, 01:42 PM Thread Starter
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Hip Opinions please

I hope these x-rays are a decent size and not giant. I have tried to resize them and the Edit does not seem to stick ...
My 14 month old Male. I took him in due to sudden limping Right rear leg. They sedated him and these are a couple of the x-rays from that visit. Vet says is definitely Dysplasia. Medical management at this time. Dasaquin. Water treadmill. Stresses keep lean and well-muscled. I can do that. I will do what it takes!
What I do not want to do is be unaware of any other options i might have to optimize his hip health. Especially if his youth can be used as an advantage and not a dis-advantage. This Vet was rushed for time I think. I have been reading here and elsewhere, and I first off am wondering if anything is bad about the positioning of these?

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The positioning is not perfect, but acceptable. I agree with your vet, you can see the left hip (on the right side of the X-ray), has a smaller ball and is does not have a snug fit in the cup. How much a dog limps and shows pain does not always correspond with what the x-rays show - some dogs have pretty advanced HD according to the x-ray, yet they are active and never show any signs of pain or stiffness, while other dogs seem to show only mild HD, but limp heavily and avoid activity.

You say he is limping on the right side? Are the x-rays inverted? Normally what you see on the right side of the x-ray is the left side of the dog, so the bad hip here is the left one.

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They must be inverted then, by mistake. He is (was) limping on his RIGHT rear. Not the left. I took these pics by camera as the Tech fed them onto the lightbox. I did not think to check for inversion...
He has been on restricted activity, and is not limping now...but his hip/leg are off...he is not standing square.
as the Vet watched his gait, she said something about "level 2", and at one point said 'oh...he went Level 3 there...for a bit'.
What do these 'levels' refer to?

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Was this a regular vet or an ortho? If it wasn't an ortho then I doubt your vet has any idea what they are talking about with "levels".

Did they check his ACL? What about pano? Did they look for that?

Those hips dont' really look that bad to me. Mild at the most.




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I don't know what the levels your vet is talking about - maybe the amount of limping?

You may want to post in the health section and get some recommendations for supplements. Lots of people have HD dogs doing well on a regiment of vitamins and supplements, with no signs of limiping. I know one dog with mild HD who is a mulit-MACH in agility - her hip displaysia hasn't slowed her down on bit!

I would also get confirmation from your vet as to which side is showing the displasia on the x-ray. As Jax mentioned, those hips should not be a deal breaker, and many other things may be causing the limping.

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Vedicsky - you may want to explore Boneo Canine as a supplement option. It is supposed to strengthen the entire skeletal system (bones and joints) by promoting bone remodeling and joint rebuilding. Traditional supplements usually only focus on the joints. It's glucosamine-free, safe for puppies, and based on an all natural lactoferrin technology backed by 6 patents. Try discussing it with your vet!
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Some vets use "level" to quantify limping. So a 1/5 limp is barely noticeable. A 5/5 is non weight bearing. And everything in between.

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Thanks gsdsar! I assumed they were talking about "levels" of HD.




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Jax08, this was a regular Vet, not an Ortho. She did not mention Pano nor ACL... I should have thought to ask about Pano, but i was frankly...in shock somewhat.

BRN2014 I will ask about Boneo Supplement. I am trying to organize a second opinion w/ an Ortho. Not so much to get them to say 'Oh she was mistaken' (although that would be nice!) but more to make sure I am am completely aware of my options across the board.

The Vet I saw was stretched thin that day I think. I have lots of questions. She did not have time for a conversation. I felt so anyway....she is a pretty good 'regular Vet', I have had her for 3 years....ever since moving here.

Castlemaid thanks much for the positive thoughts...an Agility gal with HD is very steadying info!!

gsdsar, that clears up the 'levels' thx. 2 is not too badly then...and he is much improved since she saw his gait. This all was last week...a week today in fact. He is much better.

I have started the nutritional, diet, swimming, hill walking regime....getting it going. Will not force him too hard, and build into it as we go. This will be a way of life...not a limited engagement type of adjustment.
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the position is not great, but I have seen worse.....but with better positioning is not going to change the shape of the femoral heads or the coverage significantly. I don't think these would pass OFA - maybe a moderate HD, maybe a mild....I have seen better hips go moderate, but these do not look so bad to cripple him....

there are many here who are managing dogs with less than stellar hips....supplements, feeding regime, exercise etc....there is no reason this dog cannot be functional albeit not a competition athlete....I have seen dogs with worse hips train and compete, but also felt that the owners were doing the dog a disservice as they paid for it as they got older...

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