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post #1 of 16 (permalink) Old 05-20-2008, 08:33 AM Thread Starter
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Liver question.

Ringer had his physical yesterday. He passed his bloodtests EXCEPT his iron is low and he needs to start eating liver. I HATE liver. I HATE to look at it. I HATE to touch it. I HATE to smell it. I HATE to be around it. I just HATE it. Do you all think I could give him the freeze dried beef liver in lieu of fresh cooked chicken livers?

He was really having a bad day yesterday. Needed help waking into the vets and out. She lent me a cart for him if I can figure out how to use it. When he got home he couldn't get up the ramp without a lot of help. Funny, he slept thru the night without moving. He woke up when I got up a few times but was asleep again seconds after I got back. I was really worried about this AM - but GOOD NEWS - he got up and walked outside under his own power!!!

I hate Pred yet I know it has a place in medical practice. And sadly the time has come where the Medacam is no longer working and it's time to start him on Pred. I'm to stop the Medacam for five days and then start the Pred on Saturday. I hate doing it but it's better than allowing him to continue like he has been going. Keep your fingers crossed that it works for him.

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Re: Liver question.

Why do u hate this much.????

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Re: Liver question.

If the point is to get as much iron out of the food as possible I would choose the food with the most iron. You can look at the USDA database for raw and cooked foods and perhaps you can get an analysis on a commercial freeze dried product to compare.

http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/search/

It says:

Chicken, liver, all classes, cooked, simmered= 3.26mg per 28 grams
Beef, variety meats and by-products, liver, cooked, braised= 1.83mg per 28 grams

Based on the above I would venture to say cooked chicken livers would be a better source of iron over the beef.

Could you cook a big batch, freeze portions and feed them frozen? This way you would only have to smell it occasionally. . .

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Re: Liver question.

Gayle, we all have our limits and it sounds like the look, feel and smell of liver is your stopper.

Do you have a friend who would be willing to cook liver in large batches for you in exchange for something you could do for them?

Alternately, maybe someone here can advise a good iron supplement that would do the trick.

Good luck to you.

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Re: Liver question.

I seem to remember giving Bruno canned fish stuff when he was anemic when I got him? Like sardines, Tuna (now realize that was probably a little mercury rich), salmon? And I think I gave him a vitamin with extra iron? It was 5 years ago and I am having a hard time remembering why I did the fish!

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Re: Liver question.

We used lixotinic for the horses and you can use it for dogs and cats as well. this may be goo for you. Also if you are going back on pred I would suggest adding a supplement to protect his liver function - I personally like DMG (I use the GLuta-DMG), milk thistle, or SAM E all support liver function.
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Re: Liver question.

Gayle- I am sorry to hear this. Bonnie had a great idea. If I was closer I would do it for you and maybe you could dust my living room or something that I truly hate!

I hate livers, too, but could cook them if I needed to. I do cook turkey liver, heart and gizzards at Thanksgiving. My little boy actually likes them. Eww. What is a gizzard anyway? My aversion is not as strong as yours, I guess.

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Re: Liver question.

If the smell of boiled chicken livers is upsetting, you can broil them. I think they actually smell pretty good.

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Re: Liver question.

The dehydrated stuff works in a pinch. Canz sells lamb liver too, and their stuff is more wholesome than the tub o' beef liver that you can get at big box stores. I do use that to supplement my dog's "real" liver intake.

Here's what I do though. I buy chicken liver in the little containers. (Beef liver is so much worse than chicken liver. ). Start a pot of boiling water. Empty the containers into the water (you never even have to touch it!) and boil. You don't have to boil it too long. Just til the meat turns pasty brown.

Then, spoon the meat out and stick into zip loc containers or something similar. Once the water/broth is cooled, let Mr. Ring-Dinger drink the water too.

Then, once the cooked liver has cooled, you can cut it into pieces. If it isn't cool, it will be really crumbly, so make sure it's cool.

You do know to feed teeny tiny pieces at a time, right? Or you'll have a dog with really nasty blobby runny poop.

Here is a website that gives you Iron-rich foods that aren't liver.
http://www.whfoods.org/genpage.php?t...trient&dbid=70

I sprinke thyme, parsley, and basil on all my dogs' meat. I cook up pork chops with cinnamon. I make a veggie stew out of mustard greens, turnip greens, kale, chard, Brussels sprouts, and romaine. (If you steam these, then stir in cooked sweet potato -- also high in iron -- or pumpkin -- add honey if he has a sweet tooth, he'll likely eat it). In other words, there are ways to supplement iron. Plant-based vitamins are harder for dogs' bodies to absorb, but it can be done -- at least so that you don't have to feed as much liver.

You'll note that shrimp and venison (if you can afford it) are just as good sources of liver as calf liver.
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Re: Liver question.

Thanks for all the links and suggestions. I ordered some freeze dried liver and am contacting the manufacturer to see how many pieces will equal the iron content of one chicken liver.

It's funny that I have a liver phobia. When I was small I loved liver but somehow developed an irrational dislike for anything dealing with the meat. I can recall as a little girl my big Thanksgiving Day treat was when my Mom let me have the liver and heart.

And yes, I know giving the Hooligans too much liver will definitely result in the world's worst case of diarrhea.

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