SWGDOG Major Bummer - German Shepherd Dog Forums
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #1 of 9 (permalink) Old 01-09-2008, 05:43 PM Thread Starter
Zombie Queen Moderator
 
NancyJ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: South Carolina
Posts: 16,480
SWGDOG Major Bummer

I just read the SWGDOG Guidelines for search and rescue ........

and they have no acknowledgement of scent discriminating air scent dog.......it is strictly non scent discriminatory.

Well, our team air scent dogs do require dogs to be able to grid an area with our without a scent article (we make them do it both ways) so I guess that is just above and beyond whatever certification testing will be since SWGDOG guidelines are to be used by certifying agencies.

But it still stinks

Nancy



To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
-NAPWDA Certified Cadaver Dog

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
- Partner in Crime
Waiting at the Bridge: Grim (NAPWDA), Cyra, Toby, Oscar, Linus, Rainbow, Arlo, & Waggles
NancyJ is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 9 (permalink) Old 01-09-2008, 10:39 PM
Knighted Member
 
k9sarneko's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: florida
Posts: 2,576
Re: SWGDOG Major Bummer

Well nancy, we can live in hope that it will be generally acknowledged that scent discrimination is useful in air scent too. It may just take a while to convince all our trailing buddies that you don't have to be attatched to a leash to use a scent article. More and more SAR units are coming around to this way of thinking though, especially as more and more area's are getting more populated or used for recreation.

Sharon, Mom to
SAR GSD's
Lexi CGC (Cert. area search)
Neko CGC (Cert. HRD)
Justice CGC (trailing),
BOLO, Bloodhound CGC(trailing)
Titan, Shilo Shepherd (beginning area search)
Kibby(Rodie mix)
Lil Bear and Izzy and Louie(Pom's)
k9sarneko is offline  
post #3 of 9 (permalink) Old 01-10-2008, 01:52 AM
Moderator who has gone to the dogs
 
Amaruq's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Where I don't wanna be-NW PA
Posts: 14,619
Re: SWGDOG Major Bummer

I cant believe after all this time (I have been out of SAR now for about 4 years) that people still don't see that having a scent discriminating airscent dog really makes sense and can save a heck of a lot of time on a real search. Phoenix could work trailing or airscent with or without a scent article. Tika was also trained in airscenting and was also trained to work with or without a scent article.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


Lakota, Chimo, Tika, Rayne, Kanuck, Jethro and Keyzah

My Angels forever in my heart and watching over us:
Phoenix 9/07
Kaylee Cheyenne 5/09
Amaruq is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #4 of 9 (permalink) Old 01-10-2008, 06:42 AM Thread Starter
Zombie Queen Moderator
 
NancyJ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: South Carolina
Posts: 16,480
Re: SWGDOG Major Bummer

The thing that really bothers me is that the SWGDOG will be used by certifying agencies to set the testing protocols.

Well, certification is only a test...................I think since most people who do discrimination require them to work with or without a scent article will allow them to pass the "test" without and still work their dogs with the article.

Nancy



To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
-NAPWDA Certified Cadaver Dog

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
- Partner in Crime
Waiting at the Bridge: Grim (NAPWDA), Cyra, Toby, Oscar, Linus, Rainbow, Arlo, & Waggles
NancyJ is offline  
post #5 of 9 (permalink) Old 01-10-2008, 10:12 AM Thread Starter
Zombie Queen Moderator
 
NancyJ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: South Carolina
Posts: 16,480
Re: SWGDOG Major Bummer

You see my concern

As of now, NASAR Has a scent discrimination air scent test* but SWGDOG is to set the standards certifying agencies use to develop testing.................

You can chose scent disc or not air scent at the Canine SAR II level not sure why not at the III or I level?

Nancy



To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
-NAPWDA Certified Cadaver Dog

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
- Partner in Crime
Waiting at the Bridge: Grim (NAPWDA), Cyra, Toby, Oscar, Linus, Rainbow, Arlo, & Waggles
NancyJ is offline  
post #6 of 9 (permalink) Old 01-10-2008, 08:03 PM
Knighted Member
 
k9sarneko's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: florida
Posts: 2,576
Re: SWGDOG Major Bummer

I agree with you, I think that Canine SAR III should be optional for scent article or no scent article. I would like to see Canine SAR II and SAR I to have a scent discriminating section added to it. I think that in this day of SAR scent discriminating area search dogs are more and more utilized and all area search dogs should be able to work with or without article. I know that it is not needed in a true wilderness area but how many of these areas do we have left? The time and energy saved using an article so that the dog can eliminate other foot traffic from the search is well worth the extra time it takes to teach handler and dog. I was amazed how quickly the dogs all adapted to scent articles. Also when utilizing a scent article then subject article location and alert can be added. I have just really started working with article searches but I really believe that a k9 identifying a subjects article and alerting handler to it can further assist in any search.

Sharon, Mom to
SAR GSD's
Lexi CGC (Cert. area search)
Neko CGC (Cert. HRD)
Justice CGC (trailing),
BOLO, Bloodhound CGC(trailing)
Titan, Shilo Shepherd (beginning area search)
Kibby(Rodie mix)
Lil Bear and Izzy and Louie(Pom's)
k9sarneko is offline  
post #7 of 9 (permalink) Old 01-13-2008, 11:36 AM
Moderator
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Tn
Posts: 868
Re: SWGDOG Major Bummer

Quote:
Originally Posted By: Nancy JYou see my concern

As of now, NASAR Has a scent discrimination air scent test* but SWGDOG is to set the standards certifying agencies use to develop testing.................

You can chose scent disc or not air scent at the Canine SAR II level not sure why not at the III or I level?
Did you write your concerns to the standards proposed? I check the SWGDog website frequently. When they post anything new it is for review and public comment. I've made commments several times. They've always aknowledged the receipt of my comments. So at least they do read them. While I don't think SWGdog is perfect by any stretch of the imagination, I certainly applaud them for their efforts. Standardization is something that is long overdue in the police and SAR areas of working dogs.

DFrost
DFrost is offline  
post #8 of 9 (permalink) Old 01-13-2008, 01:40 PM Thread Starter
Zombie Queen Moderator
 
NancyJ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: South Carolina
Posts: 16,480
Re: SWGDOG Major Bummer

Actually, yes, and within the timeframes ........ never got a response other than an acknowledgement of receipt

I also sent a question and am waiting for response as to whether or not anything else will be posted.

I am fully in support of the effort to standardize and SWGDOGs mission

A Rebmann reminded me that they are "not done" with the SWGDOG standards -- I posted on his and Marcia's group and numerous people from all over the country indicated they also trained and deployed dogs in this fashion.

Nancy



To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
-NAPWDA Certified Cadaver Dog

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
- Partner in Crime
Waiting at the Bridge: Grim (NAPWDA), Cyra, Toby, Oscar, Linus, Rainbow, Arlo, & Waggles
NancyJ is offline  
post #9 of 9 (permalink) Old 08-09-2009, 10:22 PM
New Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 2
Re: SWGDOG Major Bummer

SWGDOG is a constant review and data collection. Hopefully they will see your point and realize changes should be made or exceptions.
I don't see their true purpose other than showing a science behind scent theory so that we can be protected in court, having proof and explanation for why our dogs do what they do.
DreamWalker is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the German Shepherd Dog Forums forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in










Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Major... No sir, just Major PioneerMan Pictures! Pictures! Pictures! 25 11-16-2015 12:33 PM
Major....major weight gain tgolike Development & Socialization 7 06-03-2010 05:51 PM
Big bummer ... arycrest Chat Room 1 05-16-2010 10:56 AM
Bummer... SI's Vick cover dog died. chuckstar158 Chat Room 7 08-26-2009 07:55 PM
Big bummer - I don't have any water arycrest Chat Room 4 05-17-2009 10:47 AM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome