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post #1 of 14 (permalink) Old 04-21-2018, 10:20 PM Thread Starter
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Trailing Progression

Any good recommendations for a good training progression for trailing? I have a bunch of different things I want to do with Tilly and am really going to focus on her this summer and try to shoot for certification this fall.

Urban is definitely in but I have lost enough weight that I am much better in the woods and the stress on the ankle is considerably best (have about 25 left to lose) and better at line handling this charging beast. She is nailing her problems and we are increasing difficulty but I want to be a little more systematic.

What I am really looking for is like a workbook /checklist approach to various scenarios. Know of such a good thing? As far as things like line handling and reading the dog etc. and reading negatives I am pretty good. As is she intuitively stops herself and casts herself when she loses the track unlike some I have seen who just plow on.

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oh, me too. I'm not nearly as experienced and NancyJ, still a noob, but put something worthy in my hands and I'll read it.

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In the meanwhile I am pulling together bits and peices from

Gerritson and Haak
Kocher
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Bowling

I had books from Schettler and one from Gorney that I really liked but cannot find. The Gorney book is out of print

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I've frequented this post often to see if any progress. I haven't offered any.suggestions as it sounds like you are looking for books or published formats and I'm not really sure of any. I do have my own training plans that work well for me and give a broad range of distances, aging and other training points tonkeeo noses sharp nand focused.

I'm eager to see what others have read and post
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I figured you would have if anybody. I think I am just going to create my own training plan. So much focus on Beau and I need to get serious with Tilly.

One I lost all this weight and learned how to control my little freight train, I was like. Ok. wow. HUGE difference. She is just so good at NOT blowing turns even at high speed and is doing well at finding the start though I am not sure about managing competing tracks by the subject that may be older than the freshest track. And depending on different variables that older track may be stronger to the dog......

For example, where someone walks around their property and the dog finds multiple tracks leading away from the house but some are older than others and they belong to the subject [because when you scent the dog up she should only take the subject's track]

That one has me stumped because she would correctly follow the first correct track she encounters. I would note the probable existence of tracks that on initial scent inventory and perhaps that means I need to widen my circle or realize we may actually follow an older trail in real life and maybe a 2nd dog needs to check out the other possible tracks..

Maybe real-world not so much of an issue but figure when people go missing from their home there is a lot of their contamination. Family scent I am also working on.

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Starts from a subjecs home is always difficult due to the pools of odor and layering of tracks, however, our dogs should be taking the freshest scent possible, ideally.. I actually practice this sort of thing and it might be good to see what Tilly does out of a subjects home. Use a hot track before trying Nan aged track, and of course the track would exit the property so the dog can go from difficulty to a clarified trail for encouragement, etc.

I'm glad you are in the health and shape to enjoy Tilly and her talents. Trailing is truly addictive and enormously rewarding.
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Here is the scenario I am thinking of. In the morning subject goes out the front door and across the street to check the mailbox. In the afternoon subject goes out the side door to walk around the neighborhood walking a 1 mile loop. In the evening the subject goes out the back door and goes into the woods. Now, of course we would not know any of this (and of course the family went out looking for him that evening, then LE came and ran their bloodhound and then they call you) Do you think of three unique trails the dog could pick the freshest correct one and how would you train for that scenario?

Are you looking for the dog to maybe follow each one but by reading the dog you can discern the fresher trail. Are you looking for the dog to exclude the two older trails? Would you scent the dog up, circle the house, let the dog explore each track then start over and let them decide which one to take or would you note there are several trails and maybe start a fresh dog at one of the other ones. Some should peter out, returning to the house. See that one is where I am going down rabbit holes]. Very realistic though. Someone leaving a car is easy by comparison.

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I know Kocher says it can be done and with this weekend's training, I just went "good find more" when she started down the older trail (which was the first trail we hit) and then followed her when she started down the fresher trail. ............(tracklayer had 3 tracks of varying age) -
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Good scenario. I've actually on missions deployed from the home, so I do know it is possible for the dog to find the freshest scent and work that trail... perhaps not always, as with any track, variables make for how productive the trail can be. The most recent was a mother with a 1yr old child. From the house to the backyard my girl said she went over the fence (which she did , but my flanker didn't want to climb and so I cast my girl on opposite side of house parallel to fence) she continues down road several homes details a pasture with a lot of junk on it and then big time details a home and the front yard... Again, my bad, as she was 100% correct, the lady and child we're in that home. However, LEO had told me the homes had been 'cleared' and my flanker kept telling me we could get in trouble at 0400 since we didn't have an officier at that moment flanking us.. I should have called in and told IC my dogs interest, but nerves got the best of me and since I didn't follow up on my girls alerts on the home, she then took the next 'freshest' trail (the lady walked alot, had been drunk and was walking around with her daughter before being called in missing) about a half mile further. She then either backtracked to the house or had the neighbor pick her up as my girl threw a negative...

Anyhow, the way I train for these calls is by having family members lay trail on the property leading off it. So like out the back door down the backyard around the barn to the road, down the road (asphalt) to the next street and then turn left or right and find a hiding space soon after. This allows the dog to have multiple layers of odor, it is a semi known track so I can make sure the freshest trail is rewarded.. honestly, I haven't had them not take the correct DOT (direction of travel) unless a huge scent pool due to long period of someone (like gardening for hours) recently, then they might go to scent pool and cut the track.
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The "home has been cleared" yep heard that before.

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