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About 20 minutes from here is a very good local hunting dog trainer. Today I talked to him for about half an hour because I was curious.
He told me that they train "find a buck' or 'find a duck' dogs, where the dogs are sent out and they have to cover huuuuge areas, sometimes 200 or 300 acres and if they found something they come back, with a bringsel in their mouth to indicate and than lead them to the buck.

This is classic area search and how crazy is it that a hunting dog trainer is the only one using the bringsel?

I know it has been said before to watch bird dogs etc.
Anyhow, guess where I am going on Saturday to work out a training plan and who is going to learn how to train the Bringsel as indication.
Just talking to him about what we do, the similarities are crazy. He knows this area in and out and he used to train Swat Dogs for a living before retiring.

And maybe I get to learn how to hunt too
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That sounds so cool! Tell an ignorant woman what a bringsel is??


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A bringsel is a short stick or other device that is suspended from the collar of a trained dog and that the dog takes in his mouth as a signal to the handler that he has located an objective (as a wounded man). Compliments of Merrium-Webster.

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He told me that they train "find a buck' or 'find a duck' dogs, where the dogs are sent out and they have to cover huuuuge areas, sometimes 200 or 300 acres and if they found something they come back, with a bringsel in their mouth to indicate and than lead them to the buck.
What I find hard to believe is that a buck would just stand there waiting for the dog to return to the hunter and then lead them back to where it was.

Especially if the dog was 200 acres away from the hunters!!
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A bringsel is a short stick or other device that is suspended from the collar of a trained dog and that the dog takes in his mouth as a signal to the handler that he has located an objective (as a wounded man). Compliments of Merrium-Webster.



What I find hard to believe is that a buck would just stand there waiting for the dog to return to the hunter and then lead them back to where it was.

Especially if the dog was 200 acres away from the hunters!!
Thanks, Lauri! Guess I could have looked that up. Doh!

I was also wondering how that happens. The buck isn't just gonna hang out. Guess the dog brings the handler back to the sighting and tracks it from there?


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My lab has all of her foundation work fir hunting. It is a blast!!

But I too find it odd that the hunter uses the dogs this way. Kind if takes away the point of hunting.


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My lab has all of her foundation work fir hunting. It is a blast!!

But I too find it odd that the hunter uses the dogs this way. Kind if takes away the point of hunting.


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I think it has more to do with deer tracking for wounded deer?
He was also talking about flushing dogs but I will find out more on saturday.

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Yeah had not heard of using the bringsel but know several folks with hunting dogs who that before they got into SAR

Cyra was a nice little airscent dog and I was once flanked by a bird hunter and she said how she worked a lot like her bird dogs casting for scent.

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It did sound like the hunting dog trainer was just as excited as I am. I will definitely report
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strange not to be moving along with the dogs . Did a lot of research into both Bavarian and Hanoverian hound dogs used to trail injured game for miles , with as little as one spilled drop of blood every 20 - 30 feet, all weather conditions , aged track. Also looked into Basset Fauve du Bretagne . I think the Bavarian and Hanoverian are smart looking animals with single minded dedication to hunt/search. I particularly like a strong natural instinctive tracking , searching dog.
never encountered a dog working 200 to 300 acres alone and then bringing a bringsel to indicate a find . Too easy to loose a dog , and sometimes the injured quarry is still on the move. Bayerische Gebirgsschweisshundezucht / Militzer´s Meute / Bilzingsleben / Thüringen

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It is a common occurance, once an animal is shot, to see the animal run away. The hunter will go to where he/she thinks the animal was struck and look for blood sign. If there is no blood, the hunter will assume the shot was a miss. More blood indicates a more deadly shot which equals a shorter distance to find the animal. When shot and if able, the animal will run until they reach what they feel is a safe distance, then lie down. If the game is mortally wounded they will usually die in that spot.

Depending on how much trail sign is available, the animal can be VERY hard to find. I have heard of standard dachshunds being called to help track big game that has been shot and lost.

Concerning the "find a buck" problem, I do not know why you would work an area search-type problem, though. There is almost always a point of last known location to start from. And I would assume there is blood to trail, as well, if you believe the game is injured.

I'm not trying to be contrary, just pointing out that it would look more like a trailing problem than an area search in a big-game hunting situation.

I guess for "find a duck" it is a bit of an area search, but even then, ducks (and most other fowl I know of) are shot with a shotgun and limit the range you need the dog to travel to about 150-200yds? And the way I've seen them train is to go out on the line the hunter sees the fowl fall. A well trained field lab will travel for several hundred yards in a straight line through brush and over water until he smells the kill, or thinks he should, and then he'll start casting.

If you are really training to do a classic area search of 200-300 acres, using a bringsel, I am sincerely interested in hearing more about your training. I like the idea of the bringsel, but do not know enough about it to start training with one. Also, I think there are a lot of things hunters teach we can learn from, and I try to be very open minded, especially when I see good results.

Please keep us updated on what you learn!

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