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post #1 of 27 (permalink) Old 07-29-2012, 05:41 PM Thread Starter
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It will do nothing but reinforce my belief in a standardized certification system for all psd's. There are too many units that are improperly trained, ill supervised and poor utilized. The only thing it has ever done is make it more difficult for those of us that are doing it right.

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Agree 1000%. Too many people that are not truly trained, certified and licensed that do this. Puts situations as risk - not good.....


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Well that is a lot of the problem with civilian SAR and HRD handlers. No oversight,in house nonsense etc. There are good ones out there. I use them,but far more that are not and these cases are going to court more frequently
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It will do nothing but reinforce my belief in a standardized certification system for all psd's. There are too many units that are improperly trained, ill supervised and poor utilized. The only thing it has ever done is make it more difficult for those of us that are doing it right.

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^^This. It just keeps making our jobs harder and it is very, very frustrating. We just finished a water seminar, and many of the handlers had been to several seminars across the country. Not a single one had ever had any scent theory or knew what their jobs should be from those seminars. What the heck are they even teaching at those then? Fortunately these were all fairly new water handlers and were very willing to learn to do it right, so we didn't have a lot to undo.

We have been advocating for national standards for a long time, but there are so many groups that won't play well with others, you can't even have reasonable discussions. Many of the standards for SAR out there now have been brought down so far that we have discussed going back to the originals for team standards. Really, a 1 - 2 hour old track is not practical for a SAR dog.
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We push our members to test to the national standards for their records and as evaluations have become readily available in our area have become more insistent and most have taken them, but we also have more stringent in house. That said, all HRD dogs are NAPWDA certified annually.

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Yep, we don't have dogs we will allow to deploy until they have tested to a national standard. And dogs that come in from another standard are team tested before we will let them deploy.
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One of our air scent folks is going to be testing the NAPWDA area search soon. All of our operational trailing folks have passed the trailing test n addtion to the HRD folks passed the cadaver test.

The reason we are not yet up on area search is that we always work area search with a scent article and have had precious little problem getting one in real life (and they let us collect our own) but the NAPWDA test is 2 victims, no scent article...so we are having to add that in for the sake of the test and she is our "guinea pig" - her dog has already passed our 40 acre night test and 120 acre day tests and has been doing well at training with multiple victims no scent article (which, like I said is not what we ever encounter, just like a fresh one hour old trail)

SWGDOG threw out the Scent discriminating area search; some don't believe in it. It is in NASAR because the original folks around when those standards were written used and demanded it. Out in wide open wilderness areas I can see but in rural settings, suburban settings where there are folks out and about it really helps.

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I don't know why SWGDOG did that either, it didn't make sense. I really think they need both, because there are valid situations for both. Our area search dogs are started non scent discriminating first, and then we add the discrimination part as they understand their job. So far it has worked well.
I think there are issues with all the standards, but I still think teams need to be testing to them and understand the limitations, whether it be NAPWDA, NASAR, whatever. The standards are being dumbed down because not enough people were passing. Then there is something wrong with their training methods and they need to go back and examine that. So many teams are internally testing and from an IC point of view, it is a nightmare to work with unknown resources.
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