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post #1 of 10 (permalink) Old 07-05-2012, 09:49 AM Thread Starter
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HRD water test

We are considering hosting an HRD water test (NASAR Stillwater II) in Sept. or Oct. Right now I only have 1 dog that needs to test, and will not likely hold it unless we have enough outside interest. Roane county TN area. If anyone is interested, let me know.
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Not here; we just do NAPWDA......

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Yeah, many do. We don't have anyone in the area here to certify under with NAPWDA, and even if we did, on so many of our call outs the certification would be invalid. Because of the way our area works, a lot of times the AHJ is the rescue squad or EMA, so the NAPWDA certs won't do us any good.
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We have the same issue with NASAR (scheduling tests) and some evaluators we are not so keen on.

Why on earth would a NAPWDA Cert be considered invalid!?!

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Because of this:

Per NAPWDA certification standards:

Certification Validity:
one (1) year from the date of issue. The team being tested must pass each phase of each test no matter in what order or combination they are tested in. A NAPWDA certification of a Regular member K9 team in any and all phases will
ONLY BE VALID when the K9 team is being utilized by:

(1.) The law enforcement agency they are employed by.

(2.) A law enforcement agency they are on official assignment to
agency employer, (e.g. county, state, federal task force). by authority of their own law enforcement
(3.) A law enforcement agency which requested and received official mutual aid from the K9 team’s law
enforcement agency employer.
Revised 11-22-03
***NOTE*** Under NO circumstances will a NAPWDA K9 team certification be valid when the team is being utilized for ANY and ALL NON law enforcement agency uses. Adopted 11-09-96


So, per their standards, if we get called out by a county rescue squad, the certs are not valid. If it happens to be a high profile drowning and the SO feels like getting involved and makes the request, then the certs are valid.
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Ah..........good point. In SC, the SO is in charge of missing peson searches, including drowings. ............

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post #7 of 10 (permalink) Old 07-05-2012, 08:36 PM
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[QUOTE=Elektra2167;252

So, per their standards, if we get called out by a county rescue squad, the certs are not valid. If it happens to be a high profile drowning and the SO feels like getting involved and makes the request, then the certs are valid.[/QUOTE]

I think you all are misinterpreting that. You mean in your state you can have an unattended death and no law enforcement is present??? Normally they do the report.
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I think you all are misinterpreting that. You mean in your state you can have an unattended death and no law enforcement is present??? Normally they do the report.

Yes, that is correct, a large portion of the time, there is no LE involved. It is totally weird, I know. Lets say some drunk dude falls off his boat. Brother sees him and keeps going to get help. LE may take the report, but that is it, they call the RS and send them. They do not handle the scene, the RS does. Once the RS fishes around and dives for a bit, not finding anything, they call in the dogs.

I have been on scenes where there were several LE agencies running the show, and on some where there was a boat and a driver from the RS, that was it. We are still a little backwards here. We did one drowning with the county sheriff driving the boat because there wasn't anyone else he could find to do it.

Anyway, yes there are many more times here than not, that we are requested by the RS, or fire department, and not LE.
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I am going to get with some NAPWDA folks that I know and get a clarification. That is an odd clause. I don't think that was the intent
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If we could get something as far as clarification from NAPWDA that would be great, but right now all we have to go on is what they put in their standards, which is all the courts will look at, regardless of intent. There are 2 teams we work with in OH, and one in GA that dual tests because of this. Last we talked to anyone concerning it from NAPWDA (several years ago) they said it had to be a law enforcement search. That just doesn't happen here very often. Now sometimes a RS or FD will make a request to us through the SO, but that doesn't cover the rest of the teammates.
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