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post #1 of 107 (permalink) Old 12-12-2017, 10:44 AM Thread Starter
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Schutzhund genetics

I have a 20 month old female GSD of European bloodlines from WGSL and Croatian WLs. A lot of time is spent training her. She knows 30 commands, is hard, stands for gunfire and has shown she can be protective. I am not interested in starting bite work with her. However in her 8 generation pedigree there are 154 Schutzhunds. Thats is, 154 schutzhunds and 102 untitled dogs. Recently I tried a new way of playing. I act aggressive. By golly a scary change comes over her. Her eyes light up and she seriously wants to fight. I do not want to go down this road. Could this be genetic?
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You may be playing with fire having her go into defense against you.....worked in the sport for over 20 years...

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For some reason I thought your dog was a show line, or half show line...anyway, I don't know enough to speak with authority, but a 20 month old is still maturing. It could be that Inga is in a phase in which she's pushing boundaries, or it could mean she's starting to show more of the adult she'll become.
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I would definitely not act aggressive towards her, that's like poking a bear. You don't want her to see you as something she needs to be wary or concerned about.

With genetics, they come into play in building the foundation of the dog. They will help build temperament, drive, demeanor, etc. It's up to you as the owner/handler to mold that foundation into what you want. If you don't want a schutzhund dog, then you may need to find something else to work her in if she has a lot of energy and drive.

Was she temperament tested as a pup? Can you post her pedigree? Is she well socialized, calm in new situations, etc? I would not recommend trying to trigger any sort of protective response unless you're in a situation where you are intentionally training for it.

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I believe she is a showline. Showlines can have protective instincts even american showlines- lol! I see some traits in Luna - she is wgsl- with that bark -they do for bark and hold in - ipo-she did that with a cat she cornered up in a tree. It is that repetitive bark sequence sounded like she was at a ipo trial. I tried to tape it because it was not her usual bark and i got excited lol. She also does that hop to -if she is in her crate and I go to let her out she will do that repetive hop up and down you see at the bark and hold. I have to wAit till she stops then let her out. Luna also puts her nose to the ground and it stays there like a bloodhound all these traits I can see comes from her ipo heritage itís pretty cool.

Yeah why would you want to act aggressive towards her it makes no sense especially because you donít know what you are doing. she needs to trust you.


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It could be you just really don't know what you are doing and causing issues. Schutzhund is a test. Not genetics. And a solid dog should not become aggressive with the hand that feeds them. My dog has a world champion and vice world champion in his pedigree. Has his firat title and working towards his others. But he's not going to bite me.
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For some reason I thought your dog was a show line, or half show line...anyway, I don't know enough to speak with authority, but a 20 month old is still maturing. It could be that Inga is in a phase in which she's pushing boundaries, or it could mean she's starting to show more of the adult she'll become.
WGSL dogs have to be titled in order to register their puppies, or they did anyway. That can be herding, tracking or Schutzhund. I only counted the Schutzhunds. I was surprised how many there were. Yes Inga is still a teenager, she does have her days....
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Don't worry I'm not playing aggressive with her anymore

I know Schutzhund is a test. But dogs that score schutzhund 3 had to have some kind of innate aggressiveness and also be biddable, which to me is the most important. And Inga is certainly biddable. And our relationship was not ruined by me playing rough. It was just surprising how much she liked it.

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When counting the schutzhunds and non-schutzhunds, did you take line breeding into account? Does Inga have 254 unique ancestors?
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I notice dogs that score Schutzhund 3 are usually males.
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