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Uggh! Too much whip!

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Yep! Treck's foundation bitework had too much whip. So much so, that he began coming off the sleeve and biting the stick/whip. After that club became defunct and we joined our present club we began work to correct this and he was then fine with the stick and stick hits.
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I am having the same problem, how did you correct this ?
I've seen some pretty bad helper work in my previous club. One of the decoys would whip the dog's front legs when it was doing the bark and hold. He actually welted the legs of one of the dogs! And these were dogs that were new to the sport, too!

We had someone who was very experienced in schutzhund come and give a training seminar for new helpers at our club. He didn't have a SINGLE good thing to say about this helper's work!

I saw the helpers at the WUSV trials doing that this year to test the courage of the dogs, but THAT'S a whole different level of the sport! I don't think you should be doing it with young dogs that are just starting out. It might ruin them.
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I've seen some pretty bad helper work in my previous club. One of the decoys would whip the dog's front legs when it was doing the bark and hold. He actually welted the legs of one of the dogs! And these were dogs that were new to the sport, too!

We had someone who was very experienced in schutzhund come and give a training seminar for new helpers at our club. He didn't have a SINGLE good thing to say about this helper's work!

I saw the helpers at the WUSV trials doing that this year to test the courage of the dogs, but THAT'S a whole different level of the sport! I don't think you should be doing it with young dogs that are just starting out. It might ruin them.
I think you kinda mixed something in your post here Sunsilver. No helper used the whip in the H&B at the WUSV, or in any trial. What your talking about in your previous club comes down to the skill of a helper. There's good reasons for using a whip in training, or not using it too, but its not really something that ever explains well online. Basically, it comes down to the dog and the helper reading the dog. None of it is meant to injure a dog.
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Have you SEEN this year's videos?

Okay, maybe not hitting the dog's legs, but certainly using the whip to discourage the dog from getting to the sleeve!

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Yeah, but that's completely, 100% different. I'd love to send my dog on that helper.
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Also, thatís not a whip. Two different tools.
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I'd forget all about those dogs Sunsilver, and watch the dogs that didn't fail.

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Wow, if those were show line dogs I know what people would be saying!!!

I hate seeing them fall. That last one didn't look 100% when he got back up.
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Wow, if those were show line dogs I know what people would be saying!!!

I hate seeing them fall. That last one didn't look 100% when he got back up.
Lol. Pot stirrer.
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Was the charging and the screaming that threw those dogs off.

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Wow, if those were show line dogs I know what people would be saying!!!

I hate seeing them fall. That last one didn't look 100% when he got back up.
Yes, I can just imagine what the show line people would say!

Several dogs were injured, one badly enough that the handler was saying it might have to be retired. It rained, and the grass was quite slippery.

Top dog was a female, and she was in season!! This is what a 94 point protection performance looks like...

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