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post #1 of 57 (permalink) Old 09-07-2017, 10:46 AM Thread Starter
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Off day or not....

I ask if an off day because I am told this dog has an IPO3.

There was much debate on whether the helper hit the dog on the top of head or not. This video angle clearly shows this was not the case.

Should it have mattered?

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post #2 of 57 (permalink) Old 09-07-2017, 10:52 AM
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There are other angles out there. The dog was definitely not hit. And no, it should not have mattered.
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We really don't know what may have opened in training previously. The dog is obviously not engaging. Was obviously not hit. We can surmise that it was genetics but truthfully, uNless you know the dog, the pedigree and have seen the training then a person is just blowing smoke.




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Jax what if it is an entire community "blowing smoke".

someone knows .

get a big hat , and tabs with SV decoys from ALL sport and randomly choose 10 possibilities.

put those 10 back in the hat , and choose 3 . Repeat random draw and then select ONE .

that dog gets to have another go - fair as can be -- recorded ---

this is like finding a jury that hasn't been contaminated but there must be no bias , no accommodation,

there are some serious temperamental problems , dogs that won't , can't protect , have trouble with normal
but chaotic life .

the only way to solve the problem is to get dead sober serious , grab the bull by the horns , burn out the fog of delusion and truly address the problem .
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This is a 2 year old dog, just turned, put into a situation that he was either not ready for OR genetically can't deal with. I watched the entire video of the routine, not just the "courage" test, and IMO it is the latter. The fact that they tried to blame it on the helper tells me they knew going into this show that this could happen.

IF this whole scenario wasn't so darn common in the WGSL I would give the dog the benefit of the doubt. Even my friends with show lines shook their heads in disgust.

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If you are a premium member of workingdogs.eu you can watch many of the routines from the 2017 BSZS (German Sieger show). Just click on their ratings if it shows up red.

This is the "working" class males (so "titled", surveyed)
https://www.working-dog.com/results/...GHKLR-21152435

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Seems there are some questionable dogs. Look at the grip

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@carmspack I'm not disagreeing. All I'm saying is without some knowledge, as I stated above, most people aren't going to be able to answer that question. The dog was clearly in avoidance. Is it genetics? Is it a recent blast from a collar T just the wrong Time? I'd go with genetics based on history but that's only my opinion in a cloud of smoke.




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Seems there are some questionable dogs. Look at the grip
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rYWseO...ature=youtu.be

Yikes!

I usually only watch bite videos of IPO, FR, & KNPV dogs, typically the studs really getting after the helper. That was like watching a middle school basketball game when I usually watch the NBA.

Shallow, weak, chewy, can't wait to let go. Tough to watch.

At least the handler was..... erm...... she had good structure

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This is a 2 year old dog, just turned, put into a situation that he was either not ready for OR genetically can't deal with. I watched the entire video of the routine, not just the "courage" test, and IMO it is the latter. The fact that they tried to blame it on the helper tells me they knew going into this show that this could happen.

IF this whole scenario wasn't so darn common in the WGSL I would give the dog the benefit of the doubt. Even my friends with show lines shook their heads in disgust.
does this dog not have an IPO 3 -- then how did he get that far?

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