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Have you run into any dogs from . . . ?

From Carpatcan during protection training? If so, what was your take on them?
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You mean dogs from their kennel or the breed of dog they own/work?

No, if the first question. Yes, for the second.
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You mean dogs from their kennel or the breed of dog they own/work?

No, if the first question. Yes, for the second.
Both is helpful to me. What was your take on the presas you encounter?
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Your best bet is to try a molassor or bully forum.
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Your best bet is to try a molassor or bully forum.
People who have Molosser breeds and compete them are going to have a bias opinion. GSD owners may also have a bias opinion on the opposite side but it's something I'd like to hear since GSDs are more established in protection sports.

I'm trying to get all the info from different perspectives before choosing a dog.

To clarify, I'm asking similar questions on a few different forums.
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I haven't, personally. The only breeds I've seen at IPO clubs are GSDs and malinois exclusively. I think there must be a reason for that. But that is IPO, only, I see more videos of presas or similar competing in PSA, for example.
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Dont think I've seen any Presa's in protection but have seen a few Boxers, Dogos, and American Bulldogs. While they are pretty intense in protection it appears as though all the breeds with short muzzles have difficulty with endurance and speed in comparison to the more popular sport dog breeds. Just can't breathe as well with those short muzzles. This is in IPO so I can't speak for other protection sports.
As Muskeg said there must be a reason why you see mostly GSDs and Malinois in IPO. Aside from the physical differences the usual IPO breeds are known to be more clear headed and discerning in drive
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Dont think I've seen any Presa's in protection but have seen a few Boxers, Dogos, and American Bulldogs. While they are pretty intense in protection it appears as though all the breeds with short muzzles have difficulty with endurance and speed in comparison to the more popular sport dog breeds. Just can't breathe as well with those short muzzles. This is in IPO so I can't speak for other protection sports.
As Muskeg said there must be a reason why you see mostly GSDs and Malinois in IPO. Aside from the physical differences the usual IPO breeds are known to be more clear headed and discerning in drive
The FCI states that Presas are brachycephalic, but I haven't seen one with a muzzle nearly as short as a boxer, in person or online. Obviously not as long as a GSD or mal's muzzle, though. I get what you're saying though, I'm just wondering if it applies to Presas.
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The ones I saw varied from unapproachable defensive dogs to aloof, but OK around people. Not much drive for obedience. Very Very defensive in bitework. A person would need a very good helper to work one in IPO. I never saw them track.

I was lucky to train with a helper that worked a lot of different breeds so got to see quite a variety.

American bulldogs, on the other hand, were well represented in our area with a number of them making SchH/IPO2 or 3. The more bully types had a hard time with endurance especially in tracking, but, though very single minded at times (to the point of being total butt heads) were pretty good in obedience and protection.

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it appears as though all the breeds with short muzzles have difficulty with endurance and speed in comparison to the more popular sport dog breeds. Just can't breathe as well with those short muzzles.
LOL ... the short muzzled doggies can't take the heat ... thing.

I know two dogs that have proven that is not necessarily the case ... with American Line Boxers, anyway! Slightly narrow and longer muzzles. One was in Louisiana a Hog Hunter??? And the other was well my "Struddell." She chased Jack rabbits in the 90 degree summers all day long ... I never gave it a second thought.

But ... I'm not out there. And on "Boxerforum" we have I suspect from here a new member from here, as he knows lots of members here?? And he is also apparently a "Boxer" guy. And I asked him specifically about an "American Line Boxer" and he said finding the dog with the right drives is like looking for a needle in a haystack.

I of course ... beg to differ but you know ... I'm not out there! But ... back on pointe. I don't think the "OP" is asking what "Breed" is better ... but asking those, that are out there, if they have seen "Molossers" on the field and there observations of them ... seems pretty reasonable to me??

I'm interested in "Molossers" as a group also ... I only chimed on behalf of the short muzzled crowd. Just to note there could be acceptation ... but I'm not out there.
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