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I am looking for a solution to a slight problem with my tracking. After indicating the article, my dog always platz and looked straight ahead now on my last track she is doing a platz indicating correctly but will slightly turn staying in her platz to look at me. This has occurred as I reward for article indication. She is a great V tracker but I do not want to lose these points as you never know what will happen on trial day.

Looking for a solution that does not involve another person rewarding her. Some have suggested being very close to her when indicating article. and then slowly lengthen the distance from her.

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do you straddle her or go to either side when walking up during training? If you are rewarding from the same side every time, it may be a habit instilled for her to look.

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good point, I have straddled her but mostly approach from the same side. I can change this up and see what happens. do you suggest approaching from the other side for some time, and straddle and then switch it up and be very random with my approach.

I guess I should start close to her when she is indicating and then slowly lengthen my distance as well

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That is what I do. Vary how I approach. Sometimes I have had to use a verbal correction "no, down" if they move.

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good point, I have straddled her but mostly approach from the same side. I can change this up and see what happens. do you suggest approaching from the other side for some time, and straddle and then switch it up and be very random with my approach.

I guess I should start close to her when she is indicating and then slowly lengthen my distance as well
Yes, randomize it and possibly even wait a couple seconds before you approach.

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Excellent suggestions. I would add a couple of things to try to what others have mentioned. In addition to approaching from both sides randomly, only reward when the dog is looking at the article. Are you rewarding with food? If so, then only pay when the dog is focused and intensely looking at the article. You can point to the article and whisper something like "show me" or watch, or a positive marker like "yes." When the dog is fixated on the article, then you pay. Give a slight negative marker if the dog looks back at you. Then the positive marker and some low level praise. Like "Yessssss, goooooddd" almost under your breath. I have done a "slight of hand" trick and drop food with out the dog seeing it right behind or in front of the article, depending on the dog and it's position.

The dog knows the reward is coming from you and that is why it is looking back. We can only trick our dogs a few times, then they know exactly where the reward comes from. The obedience kicks in when the dog must lock up and stare at the article for it's indication. This is a relatively easy thing to teach if this what you want to achieve. You may need to go back to reteaching the article indication for a few sessions, only rewarding when the dog stares and focuses intensely on the article.

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this is a dog driven to track , you know that , the experts that you have worked with that know that and have said so.

your attempt to "reward" is distracting her.

try a session where you walk up , do your regular "thing" with the article and send her on to track. That is her reward.
Your permission to track some more ! She will be looking ahead because that is where the track is .

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Great suggestions from all. She does know show me and will touch the article. Just was out doing a quick track staying close to her and approaching from the different side, she was looking straight ahead, and her position was perfect. I rewarded with food dropped from above on the article.

I then did the same thing staying close but approached on the usual side again perfect position, did no look back. I wonder if it is a distance thing. Taking too long in her mind to reward her. Perhaps continue to stay close to her but lengthen the time that I reward. or just slowly increase my distance.

What does everyone think would be the next steps. Really need to get this in the next 3 weeks

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Carmen, yes I thought about that,but last fall I ran into a problem as the track was the most impt part to her and the articles not so much. I needed to balance this out and increase the value of the article. articles are 7 points each and there are 3. Last year perfect track of 79 no points for articles. do not want to rpt that again.

I do not use food on the track at all just after she indicated the articles, Maybe need to slightly re balance. but if she is going to indicate I want it straight, and too stay straight.
The article is perfectly between her legs, with good speed.

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Is there even a point loss for looking back while indicating an article?
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