I'd have to see some video of whats going on, if unable to see in person.
I don't always find that training a dog to do something for no reward and "just because they have to" yields the most reliable results or desirable attitude in the dog. In most cases, at some point the dog becomes too frustrated by the lack of real motivation other than "because I don't want to get my ass kicked." You say he has great ball drive..why not just keep the reward hidden on your body (tucked in the back of your pants, inside your shirt sleeve, etc) and ask for the behavior that you want? If he's pushing you (either physically, like forging, or just generally bouncing around), he's incorrect in the behavior and clearly doesn't understand whats being asked. I would take a few steps back and ask for proper focus and positon with an out of sight reward, and pay him for the correct behavior quickly, building upon that. Once you get to the point of him exhibiting the proper behavior consistently, THEN I would add corrections for direct disobedience. But I think that a dog who is "pushing" for a reward when out of position or control is not clear in my expectations, and I don't consider corrections for a dog who isn't clear on what is being asked very fair.
But if you are getting the results that you want with the training that you're doing, then why change it?
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Last edited by GatorDog; 05-25-2015 at 09:42 AM.