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post #1 of 17 (permalink) Old 05-12-2013, 08:37 PM Thread Starter
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Schutzhund and aggression

I'm getting a new GSD puppy next month and have been considering training him in Schutzhund. I did Junior agility with my GSD growing up. I've been reading up but I'm curious to ask other owners how Schutzhund training has affected your dogs in terms of aggression towards strangers or other people they arent familiar with.

I was reading a Q&A on leerburg.com where an owners GSD bit a man. This dog was trained in Schutzhund and according to the owner usually very accepting. Cindy was saying how the owner should never have let anyone pet her dog under any circumstance. Is this what I am getting into? The answer really took me aback as this website is for professionals who train. Any insight?
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If the dog isn't balanced in the brain, it should not be in IPO.
GSD's carry aggression, it is in their DNA...but the ones that can't channel/transition or decipher a threat should not be doing bitework.
IPO is very obedience based, in all phases.
You need a biddable, confident, higher prey driven pup to begin with. Then the training/foundation is key in keeping it going in the right direction.

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A genetically sound dog should have no trouble doing IPO and being a member of the family.

My questions to you are this.
1) Have you already found a schutzhund club and trainer you like? Have you visited and met their dogs? What did you think of them? That should answer your question.

2) Are you starting with a puppy that should be suitable for schutzhund? By that I mean pedigree. The rest you wont know until your working your puppy.
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I see now that part of the job is finding a suitable pup. It's not just something any dog can do like obedience. The mother of the pups is Schutzhund trained so perhaps the pups will take after her. Honestly it was just something I was considering, I'd be fine doing obedience or agility with my guy if Schutzhund wasn't the sport for him. There is a club in my area but were moving at the end of he summer so Im hesitant to get involved. There is a club where we are moving to though. Any tips to picking a pup better suited?
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i think it would take an even more special kind of gsd to do agility well and prolly harder to find than a gsd for schuts.

i don't do schuts.
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Better suited for what? If I'm looking for a puppy to do a specific sport, I look into breeders who actually DO that sport and have many dogs doing that sport. A lot of people like to try to tell me what I should or shouldn't do with my dog or what a GSD can or can't do but many times these people are trying to talk about sports they've never done seriously (or at all).
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Schutzhund training is a sport, for the young 11 months it is almost a game. What is used - not agression, but your dog's passion. Your dog doesn't attack the person, he attackes the suit. I trained my GSD together with my friend, and, no problem, three of us were sitting in one place, he was drinking coffe, petting Damire after that awesome session. But...Your dog should pass obedience first, because that what you are asking about is further in the course, as he must attack on command, release on command, everything on command only. You don't have your puppy, yet you made up your mind and all your plans about him. What if his talents would be of a sniffer? Or, life saviour? There are another 20 certificates for working dogs besides Schutshund.
Some dog who attacked some man had some reason for doing it. All these learned positions do not encourage your dog to attack, absolutely opposite, he will wait for you to command. There also is a course of "provocation", trained dog wouldn't do a move.
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Schutzhund is what you make of it. You can do it sporty and just make it a game for the dog. Some people will push an edgy dog too far. Most people simply use it as a means to control and channel the dog's drives, meaning the traits the dog was *born with*, not creating aggression out of nothing.
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Cindy is wrong.

My old SchH titled female who was also a person protection dog with very high social aggression. She was not playing a game when she worked yet was totally sound in a social situation.

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