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Schutzhund dog = working dog?

Would a dog trained in schutzhund (BH or IPO 1-2) or even a dog in training, be considered a working dog? I always considered schutzhund a sport rather than being a working dog activity.
I suppose the definition depends on what one means by "working".. I consider working dogs to be dogs that are actively "working" on a regular basis, helper dogs, tracking dogs, hunting dogs etc.

Are IPO titles considered "working dog" titles?

Would you call your IPO dog a working dog even though it doesn't work in the traditional "working" sense?
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Are IPO titles considered "working dog" titles?

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I would say that because of the working ability required, and IPO title would be considered a working title. I also think that while the dog is currently active in the sport he would be considered a working dog. However, once you stop regularly training and competing in the sport, your dog ceases to be a working dog.
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I think the term 'working dog' applies to a dog that is actually certified in working and does so professionally on a regular basis.
I don't think a dog training for titles in IPO or other sports are working dogs but dogs doing sports.
A working dog is just that, a dog that is basically treated as an employee and lives a very structured lifestyle with a regimented schedule and routine.

But I know many in sport treat their dogs differently than a companion, so have a different mindset and consider their dog a worker.
I train almost daily but would never consider my dog a 'working' dog, but a companion who enjoys training in the sport I chose to work him in!

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under the sv system isn't ipo/schuts offically designated a working title??
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There are working dogs that live as pets on their down time. There are also working dogs that train in SchH. There are handlers that use SchH as a foundation for their working dogs. So, yes, in many ways SchH is still work even if we as handlers aren't using these dogs in any official capacity.

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under the sv system isn't ipo/schuts offically designated a working title??
I believe they are called International Utility Dog titles, per IPO rulebook, BH is not considered a utility dog title (well it's not worded as such). So I take Utility to mean Working.

I guess the question is, is the dog (technically) a working dog while training for the title or is it working dog after the title? i.e a BH dog is not classed as a working dog until they reach IPO1?

Everywhere I search IPO, is considered a dog sport. However I guess, like professional athletes, active participation in sport is considered working.

So does, as robk suggests, a dog cease to become a working dog as soon as the dog stops competing in IPO? (assuming the dog is not participating in any other working role).

On a similar note, can a dog be a "working dog" without any official title. Would a farmer that has a dog that performs some sort of working role on the farm, yet has had no official titling, have what is classed a working dog?

I would say yes to the farmers dog, yet I don't feel it appropriate in my case to call my IPO dog in training a working dog.
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i agree on the farmers dog scenario - in that theme most real working dogs would be without title or pedigree in a range of venues from LGD, assistance dog, commercial yard dog, dogs finding wounded game for money, professional ratters, pesticide detection, invasive species detection, hunting, those dogs that clear birds from aircraft landing zones, security dog, crowd control.....the nameless, public faceless, paperless, untitled, unpapered dogs who's owners prolly don't know titling systems or seen a pedigree or even know the internet exists.
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The most popular working dog in the world is the German Shepherd, the German Shepherd as a working dog was founded on the principles of IPO titling and breeding.

A dog that is proficient in IPO shows that it has qualities required as a utility dog for general work (not necessarily suited for absolutely any job, but certainly a good number of jobs).

We train, title and breed dogs for IPO and Work. Police Dog Handlers come to us to buy dogs, for training and advice. They are open to IPO and see many benefits to it.

I consider them working dogs.


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what was first, the GSD or IPO titling?

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The most popular working dog in the world is the German Shepherd,

>>>> the German Shepherd as a working dog was founded on the principles of IPO titling and breeding. <<<<

A dog that is proficient in IPO shows that it has qualities required as a utility dog for general work (not necessarily suited for absolutely any job, but certainly a good number of jobs).

We train, title and breed dogs for IPO and Work. Police Dog Handlers come to us to buy dogs, for training and advice. They are open to IPO and see many benefits to it.

I consider them working dogs.
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