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IPObservations Episode 3 Handler Help

Episode 3 is about Handler Help Faults in IPO Dog Sport and how to avoid throwing points away in big trials.

Please share it on facebook and doggy forums if you find it interesting.

As always let me know what you think

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Another great vidoe. Keep up the good work.
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Exellent!!! Love to see your dogs in the videos - so happy and snappy and precise (even with the handler help and all. )

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Oooh, great topic!!! Thanks for the hard work you are putting into these Ashley!

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Love it, as usual! I really enjoy these.

Great job! Keep them coming..

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Ah-ha!

Wonderful explanation and something I personally struggle with.

In Dressage I was trained to prepare my mount with subtle cues for the next movement such as the half-halt, or looking in the direction of the turn just before executing the turn. The horses felt the slight shifts in weight and responded accordingly. These were very subtle but effective!

I struggled with why this isn't allowed in IPO, not to mention feeling frustrated as I was so used to communicating to my horses and previous dogs this way.

My trainer has been catching me at this and warning me but I didn't have the 'big picture'.

Thanks so much, love these videos!
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Shared on multiple pages on FB and people picked it up from there.

excellent points on recognizing handler help. That is why it is critical to have a good training dircetor that will catch it, correct it and explain it. It is better to know the rules, the impact and the deductions at the get go than make the mistakes in the BH or IPO1 and then spend more time fixing it.


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Ah-ha!

Wonderful explanation and something I personally struggle with.

In Dressage I was trained to prepare my mount with subtle cues for the next movement such as the half-halt, or looking in the direction of the turn just before executing the turn. The horses felt the slight shifts in weight and responded accordingly. These were very subtle but effective!

I struggled with why this isn't allowed in IPO, not to mention feeling frustrated as I was so used to communicating to my horses and previous dogs this way.

My trainer has been catching me at this and warning me but I didn't have the 'big picture'.

Thanks so much, love these videos!
I understand that completely... I have the same issue here.

I did eventing and was on the Dressage team back in college. When I got into training in IPO, it was SO hard for me to understand that I could not cue my dog, or help in any way.... only words. The horse world is much different when it comes to "handler help"...

I still struggle with it. Especially with the puppy... which is gaining me some bad habits!!

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Thanks for posting this! I'm not going crazy!

I'd been heavily involved in horses from 1976 until a couple of years ago.

My poor trainer (who is not a horse person) doesn't get why I'm still stuck on some of these things, old habits and all, 'Whaddya mean I can't look in the direction I want my dog to go?' LOL!

He also says 'pattern training' is a no-no but in reading Sheila Booth's book "Schutzhund Obedience, Training in Drive" she explains her reasoning why it's O.K.

I'm going to be good though and keep working at it!


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I understand that completely... I have the same issue here.

I did eventing and was on the Dressage team back in college. When I got into training in IPO, it was SO hard for me to understand that I could not cue my dog, or help in any way.... only words. The horse world is much different when it comes to "handler help"...

I still struggle with it. Especially with the puppy... which is gaining me some bad habits!!
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Thanks for posting this! I'm not going crazy!

I'd been heavily involved in horses from 1976 until a couple of years ago.

My poor trainer (who is not a horse person) doesn't get why I'm still stuck on some of these things, old habits and all, 'Whaddya mean I can't look in the direction I want my dog to go?' LOL!

He also says 'pattern training' is a no-no but in reading Sheila Booth's book "Schutzhund Obedience, Training in Drive" she explains her reasoning why it's O.K.

I'm going to be good though and keep working at it!
Here too. I'm 24 and have been riding since I was 3 1/2. I sold my last horse what will be 2 years ago this summer. I've dabbled in all different disciplines... and it's the same for all. Help the horse with your aids. Eyes, shoulders, hands, hips, upper/lower legs, and heels. When jumping... Look to the direction of your next jump.... let the horse know where you want them to go next.... this gives you your lead change and tight turns coming off the jump. Dressage, is the same... lots and lots of "handler help".

I'm notorious for looking where I want them to go... or when going into a down/sit in motion, my hand moves to "help" the dog. I know I shouldn't, and I try not to, but it's such a habit. With Duke I had to be very animated to get him to work "up" and not flat like he is naturally. And with the puppy, you help them to understand when they are young..

Like you, I have a trainer who is not a horse person either. So for him, he just doesn't get why it's so ingrained in my head.

Another problem I have from coming from the horse training first is.... because I dealt with a lot of high energy horses (OTTB, Warmbloods, horses that were giving owners issues, and rescued mustangs), It was very hard for me to be high energy and silly when training the dogs. Back with the horses, I had to have very quiet energy, very calming, and relaxing. That's been my hardest lesson to learn.... Still find myself going "flat" as my trainer says. lol. Like we all say out at class.... we are there for handler training more then dog training.

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