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post #1 of 41 (permalink) Old 01-09-2012, 02:28 PM Thread Starter
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This training method seems very cruel

A friend of my mom's does schh with their dog. They love this dog. They explained to my mom the other day that he is getting too close to the helper before he is to "bite'. (sorry, probably explaining it all wrong!). Anyway, to get him to perform better, they are using an electric cattle prod and a sharpened prong.

WOW! I would imagine that once the dogs are ramped up, then the handler needs strong 'brakes', but that seems unfair, and cruel.

Is this common?
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NO!!! NOT common at all, totally nuts! I've heard of sharpened prongs before, but never heard of using a cattle prod! That's just crazy.

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IMHO, Schutzhund is a sport. It doesn't save lives or find lost children or solve world hunger. If your dog needs to be subjected to an electric cattle prod, sharpened prong, kicks in the testicles, or any of the other horror stories I've heard about a handful of trainers, you're playing the wrong sport or using the wrong trainer.


In all sports, some people's egos get in the way of their common sense. It's the exact same thing as using acid on gaited horses to make them step higher.


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I've seen one used but not for that reason.
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Not that I am aware of! That seems completely uneducated, and not even really "old-school", more like "never was a training method"...I think it would even be ridiculous to call it a training method at all.

I have only trained with 3 ScH clubs, so maybe I have just not "been around" enough, but I have never heard of using an electric cattle prod. I have heard of some "trainers" using sharpened prongs though.

The way I see it is, protection is a higher level of Obedience. If you can't get your dog to listen to you in front of the helper, then they should not be allowed in front of one until you can get them to listen without the helper present. It is SUPER dangerous to have an uncontrolled dog practicing protection (even in a sport), and the clubs I work with would NEVER allow this. Although, they would never use the cattle prod or sharpened prong either. If you have to use these tools, you never had control to begin with!
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If you have to use these tools, you never had control to begin with!
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I was talking with Ez's breeder about this the other day. I was shocked that someone would use a cattle prod... Maybe I am naive but no dog is so hard that they need a cattle prod to get through to them

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IMHO, Schutzhund is a sport. It doesn't save lives or find lost children or solve world hunger. If your dog needs to be subjected to an electric cattle prod, sharpened prong, kicks in the testicles, or any of the other horror stories I've heard about a handful of trainers, you're playing the wrong sport or using the wrong trainer.


In all sports, some people's egos get in the way of their common sense. It's the exact same thing as using acid on gaited horses to make them step higher.
In horse sports and dog sports, I think things go on "in the name of training" that go unspoken. Heads are turned. "We had to do it to train them. We still love them and take good care of them." Makes me sad.
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I have seen this plenty of times, in more than one "top-notch" club.
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