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post #1 of 22 (permalink) Old 01-05-2012, 12:15 PM Thread Starter
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Is your dog still HOT (Handler Owner Trained) if someone else does their AD? I'm planning to take both my dogs to a weekend event that covers everything and both need ADs. Or can you run two at once?
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post #2 of 22 (permalink) Old 01-05-2012, 12:43 PM
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From my understanding you must do everything yourself including the AD.
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The AD is not a title, but a requirement for the survey and should have no bearing on the HOT status. It would have a bearing if you were going for your judge's license since you would not have done your dog's AD.

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I was told it did because you are not allowed to have your dog handled anyone else at any time for training or otherwise to be considered hot and so it is not just in the ring for a title. Even co owners are not allowed to work the dogs even conditioning them. They must be 100 percent handled by the owner.
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Haha, no judging for me! OK I don't feel so bad about it then. Actually I will be doing another dog's AD (I'll do Nikon and someone else will have to do Pan). I just have this *thing* where I like to do all my training and titles myself, though I suppose I'm doing all the work training for it. The dog's breeder is probably going to be the one to bike Pan.
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I was told it did because you are not allowed to have your dog handled anyone else at any time for training or otherwise to be considered hot and so it is not just in the ring for a title. Even co owners are not allowed to work the dogs even conditioning them. They must be 100 percent handled by the owner.
A lot of HOT dogs have SV show titles and are not handled by their owners because the owners need to double handle. Can't be two places at once and double handling is where the training is done. This is the only situation I ever hand my leash off to someone else, and as it is I'll probably handle Nikon for his entire breed survey (even in the ring) and have my husband double handle him.
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Then HOT dogs wouldn't be able to be handled by someone else in the conformation ring either. The AD is not a title. It is a requirement for the breed survey and should have no bearing on the HOT eligibility.

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That is conformation not towards a hot working title. It is treated differently. Anything towards the HOT for schutzhund has to be done by the handler is what I was told.



HOT_BHOT

To qualify your dog as a H.O.T. dog the following criteria must be met.



1. Owner is a member in good standing of the GSDCA-WDA.

2. Owner must have owned dog from the age of 12 months.

3. Must have either AKC registration or foreign registration showing proof of ownership and date of ownership.

4. You as owner must have done all handling in training and put all titles on the dog.

  1. 5.Dog may not have been leased out to anyone prior to all titles being earned.
  2. 6.Co-ownership is allowed, but both parties must have their names on the registration from the beginning of ownership, and only one of those parties can be the handler/trainer of the dog.


If your dog receives a H.O.T. award, and it is found that training was done by another party, or titles earned by another handler, all H.O.T. titles received for this dog will be become null and void, you will not be allowed to enter any dog as a H.O.T. dog in the future, and you will be reported to the GSDCA- WDA Disciplinary Committee for possible further action.

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AD is NOT a title.

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It is not title but it is towards one. I was told any preparation towards title conditioning and training and working the dog must be done by the OWNER/HANDLER to be qualified for HOT. This is what I was instructed. It is the only answer I personally have for you. I hope someone else can tell you differently.
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