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Dave Kroyer Seminar

I have the opportunity to go to a Dave Kroyer seminar. Wolf and I are very new to the sport, but we have been working with a club towards our BH. I have never attended a dog training seminar before. I have however attended horse seminars, never taking my horse and never being overly impressed.

I was wondering if it is a good idea to take Wolf or just audit this seminar. My understanding is that each team will be allowed a 30 min. one on one with Dave. The first day is obedience and the second day will be protection.We are supposed to submit questions for him via e-mail prior to the event. I don't even know what to ask since we are such novices. It is going to be $25/day without dog or $75/day with your dog. I have no idea how many dogs will be there.

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I remember when recently they had a seminar nearby for Bernhard Flinks. I talked with club members and they encouraged me to go but since it would be first to go without dog for I would get more out of it that way. I could not make the time so I kick myself now.

What I was told by someone who did go is he was looking more for working on problem dogs and coming up with creative solutions for them. So if you don't have a major problem with your dog might not get as much out of taking the dog.
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I remember when recently they had a seminar nearby for Bernhard Flinks. I talked with club members and they encouraged me to go but since it would be first to go without dog for I would get more out of it that way. I could not make the time so I kick myself now.

What I was told by someone who did go is he was looking more for working on problem dogs and coming up with creative solutions for them. So if you don't have a major problem with your dog might not get as much out of taking the dog.
No major problems, just a bumbling novice and her dog.
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People always say you should just audit -but I think that would be boring so I have always taken my dog-if you go post back and tell us about it
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I would advise you leave your dog at home. I say this for the following reasons.

You don't know the seminar giver or how he trains. He might be completely incompetent.


Unless you have the ability to set up your own training program and goals, you might end up setting back your training.


If your training group and director do not agree with the training you do at the seminar you may alienate them. When you have been busting your hump helping someone a couple of times a week, for years, the last thing in the world you need is to have them come back to tell you how Mr. Seminar said this and that after seeing your dog for only 30 minutes.
People often feel pressured into doing things in a seminar that they know is wrong for their dog.


Seminar givers often feel pressured to show quick results. That might be good for the "Wow Factor" at the seminar, but not so good for your dog's training program


Mind you these are general advisements about all seminars. Personally I think Dave is a really good trainer and has a lot to teach. And the most important thing to do at a seminar is to look at the big picture. Training your dog with someone for 30 minutes will yield limited results. But if you can learn a few big concepts, you can add them into your current training, with the consultation of the folks you work with on the regular basis.
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People always say you should just audit -but I think that would be boring so I have always taken my dog-if you go post back and tell us about it
The most "exciting" moments I have ever had in dogsport have been watching people COMPLETELY destroy their dogs at seminars. And good training is always boring anyway.
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I would advise you leave your dog at home. I say this for the following reasons.
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**You don't know the seminar giver or how he trains. He might be completely incompetent.*
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Unless you have the ability to set up your own training program and goals, you might end up setting back your training.
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If your training group and director do not agree with the training you do at the seminar you may alienate them. When you have been busting your hump helping someone a couple of times a week, for years, the last thing in the world you need is to have them come back to tell you how Mr. Seminar said this and that after seeing your dog for only 30 minutes.*
**People often feel pressured into doing things in a seminar that they know is wrong for their dog.
**

Seminar givers often feel pressured to show quick results. That might be good for the "Wow Factor" at the seminar, but not so good for your dog's training program*
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Mind you these are general advisements about all seminars. Personally I think Dave is a really good trainer and has a lot to teach. And the most important thing to do at a seminar is to look at the big picture. Training your dog with someone for 30 minutes will yield limited results. *But if you can learn a few big concepts, you can add them into your current training, with the consultation of the folks you work with on the regular basis.
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I have a working spot in the Raiser seminar and I didn't sign up simply because of who he is. The reason I signed up is I have spent many, many, MANY hours training with someone who has himself spent many hours training with Raiser. I already know what to expect from Raiser's methods. If it weren't for this familiarity I would not have signed up even if Raiser himself called me and begged me to. Though from around the country, I know about half the people signed up for working spots in this seminar and I know them through the previously mentioned trainer. I'm betting a good majority of them would not have signed up for working spots if they too didn't have some sort of link to Raiser.*

The Raiser seminar is a special circumstance. Other than that the only working spots I sign up for are those with trainers I've seen train. I have more fingers on one hand than the number of seminar givers I would take a working spot with. I'll spectate, always, but no way in **** are they touching my dog.*

I learn more by watching, anyways.*

*There may be random asterisks. No idea where they come from but it happens when I post from my phone. I'm not trying to emphasize anything.*

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The most "exciting" moments I have ever had in dogsport have been watching people COMPLETELY destroy their dogs at seminars. And good training is always boring anyway.

Thanks ever so much for the big letters but I can read-could you please type slower next time--and I am sure training would be very boring if I trained with you-but thankfully I don't-at least I don't think I do
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The emphasis was their to emphasis how badly the dogs came through the experience. If it hurt your feeling, I apologize for that.


And if you ever worked with me you would know it.
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Yes, go and take your dog!

Dave has been working with Josh on tracking since he was 16 weeks old. His credentials are amazing and he's a nice guy. We first brought Josh to be evaluated by him when he was 11 weeks old, he told us to work on developing his drives because he had some good signs but was way too young to evaluate. Josh is 8 mo now, he still has great food drive but now he has awesome prey drive and toy drive as well. We had some setbacks,
Josh got neutered, he was cryptorchid so it took him a little while to recover, we were just about to get back into it when Josh came down with pano, and my husband broke his toe. As soon as Josh and the hubby recover they'll be going back to Dave.

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