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post #1 of 41 (permalink) Old 10-05-2010, 05:17 PM Thread Starter
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"working the grip"

Okay, I hear this phrase in schutzhund training. I guess I have never been certain that I knew exactly what it means or entails?
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It means you are working on getting a deeper, stronger bite where the sleeve is all the way to the back of the dog's mouth and he's not coming off any time soon.

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... and what are the reasons the grip might be less than desirable?
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A shallow or weak bite is undesirable.

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Chewing the sleeve is also undesireable...as is thrashing it when slipped from the helper.
Thats why we run them around to keep the firm grip then calmly stroking the dog while cradling their chin to re-enforce that calm grip. If they start to chew, you out them to discourage that.

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The desired grip is hard, full, and calm, and in the center of the bite bar. There are many reasons that a dog's grip might not achieve that ideal:

- too young.

- poor training.

- inhibited by the handler.

- afraid of the helper.

- distracted by other influences.

- lack of confidence.

- poor nerves.

- too much training pressure.

- bad teeth, or another medical problem.
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I am guessing there are several reasons a poor grip could be occurring. Obviously, genetics is one of them. Defensiveness? Conflict with handler?

I see some people who I think are working the grip get back in the sleeve and do several things with the dog. I was wondering if all that working was effective.
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II see some people who I think are working the grip get back in the sleeve and do several things with the dog. I was wondering if all that working was effective.
Jan Kokx, for example, seems to be pretty good at it, and some people swear that it works for them. But I'm sure it only really works some of the time, and only lasts for so long. If the dog is under enough pressure for long enough he will probably revert to whatever behavior his genetics and foundation training will allow.

The other question is, are you trying to make the grips a little better so a very good dog can make V, or so a weak dog can pass a trial? I suspect the outcomes will not be the same.
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"working the grip"; i thought it
described what you do when you
catch them chewing the sofa,
your shoes, counter surfing, etc.
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The good grip comes before you ever offer it. That means the helper sees that the dog is at the right level of drive, at a level that I suppose you could call balanced for that dog and then the grip comes. If the helper is there trying to fix it after the initial grip, it is because the work before the grip was not correct . Most" working on the grip " is to teach the dog to counter or hit back/to re-enforce aggression or to re-enforce it when the dog tries to stop the helper or pull as the helper is turned away in flight. Again, what the helper does before the grip comes will determine how well the dog does those thngs also.
Trying to fix chewing, half grips etc, would be work the helper would do before he offers the grip.


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