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post #1 of 21 (permalink) Old 10-02-2010, 09:48 PM Thread Starter
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Abusive training methods

I have been looking at the web-sites of various clubs and many state something to the effect "Abusive training methods will not be tolerated".
I am curious as to what exactly constitutes abuse.


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Call and ask.

Some places look at anything not positive reinforcement as abusive.

Some will object to certain collars and corrections.

Some will not tolerate you hitting or kicking the dog.

The only way to know is to ask them.

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Its subjective, there is no factual answer just opinions.
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Most Schutzhund clubs I know of do not train strictly using "positive reinforcement". Some may. However this doesn't mean they condone people hurting their dogs.

Usually what it means is they will not allow excessive use of training collars (be it a choke, prong or e-collar) or corrections. Most will not allow you to kick or beat the dog.

But true, you should call, email or visit the club and ask. Each club can have a bit different interpretation.

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Training in itself is abusive. Dogs should be running free through the flowers fields...

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What is "excessive"? Typically excessive would mean more than what is required. If the trainer thought that an action was not required would he be doing it? Who decides and what is the criteria for deciding that a correction is "excessive"?
Also, what constitutes "kicking or beating" a dog? Is a toe on the ass to make sit a "kick"? Is a swat on the nose "beating"? Again who decides and what is the criteria?


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I did not read anything in the OPs post about schutzhund, must have missed that, and I would not have replied.

I have been to trainers who claimed they only used positive reinforcement. (Body slams to get the Great Dane Puppy in a down position are ok though.)

My current trainer allows prongs and chokes, not head collars though. Will not allow killing the dog -- I am usually threatening to.

Other places I have been would not allow prong collars, but did allow head collars.

So, you just really need to call.

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What is "excessive"? Typically excessive would mean more than what is required. If the trainer thought that an action was not required would he be doing it? Who decides and what is the criteria for deciding that a correction is "excessive"?
Also, what constitutes "kicking or beating" a dog? Is a toe on the ass to make sit a "kick"? Is a swat on the nose "beating"? Again who decides and what is the criteria?
It's all decided by the individual club. Each club can and will have a different interpretation (as I said earlier).

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I did not read anything in the OPs post about schutzhund, must have missed that, and I would not have replied.
Usually when a question is posted in the 'Schutzhund Training' section - it's about Schutzhund.

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LOL, got me. I've been hanging out in active topics again.

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LOL, got me. I've been hanging out in active topics again.
That's ok your initial answer is still very fitting. "Call and ask."

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