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Proper age to make protection work

My first topic seemed to make quite an impression, 95 posts and around 1200 views. Perhaps this will also get people thinking.

I worked with a trainer from Belgium a while back who most would know or at least would know the dogs he has shown. His position on starting a young dog in protection is to wait until they are a year old. That is all the detail I will give at the moment. Opinions.


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Re: Proper age to make protection work

I think my club doesn't start dogs in protection until 15 months. Which trainer in Belgium?
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Re: Proper age to make protection work

At least a year and then only when they show they are ready.


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Re: Proper age to make protection work

Define 'start in protection'.

Mauser started rag work at 3 months. I've seen young pups (under 6 months of age) doing sleeve work - all in PLAY mode.
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Re: Proper age to make protection work

Expand on that Lauri. All the time you see young pups being worked. Why or why not is it a good idea?


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Re: Proper age to make protection work

Hmm...Starting - is prey building with rag and tug with a decoy as a pup not considered "protection" work? So for clarification of terms, what is the definition of starting protection? Pressure and biting the sleeve? Much appeciated.

As I started this sport when my dog was 14 months, my experience is limited. We did prey work. Some sleeve work but then decided to "put him up" to mature and started in earnest on the sleeve when he was more ready at about 19 or 20 months.
My guess is that tug work and as young puppy is to gain confidence and develop prey drive and beginning to teach proper gripping. It appears that the more balanced fight drive is not that present as a pup, but in a more mature dog.

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Re: Proper age to make protection work

I'm really looking forward to the discussion on this topic!

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Quote: At least a year and then only when they show they are ready.
Anne, could you elaborate a bit more as to what behaviours you would see in a dog who is showing that they are "ready"?
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Re: Proper age to make protection work

OK. I have learned that I must be very specific on this board so we will define "Protection work" as follows:
" Any interaction between dog and helper where the helper induces, incites, encourages, teaches and/or trains barking and/or gripping behavior from the dog or attempts to do so. However, for the purpose of this discussion we shall not consider one or two dog/helper interaction(s) "protection work" so long as the primary purpose of said interaction(s) is to evaluate the quality of the dog or ascertain his suitability for the work. "

Is that a clear enough definition?


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Re: Proper age to make protection work

I've heard 1 year over at workingdogforum.com.
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Quote:" Any interaction between dog and helper where the helper induces, incites, encourages, teaches and/or trains barking and/or gripping behavior from the dog or attempts to do so. However, for the purpose of this discussion we shall not consider one or two dog/helper interaction(s) "protection work" so long as the primary purpose of said interaction(s) is to evaluate the quality of the dog or ascertain his suitability for the work. "

Is that a clear enough definition?
Uh.....no.
You lost me after "however"


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