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post #1 of 108 (permalink) Old 11-17-2009, 10:44 PM Thread Starter
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A friend and I were having a discussion the other day about the forced go-out. Any opinions?


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Re: Forced Go-Out

I use a target I don't do forced go outs or retrieves.

But let me ask what you consider a forced go out? I will take the dog by the collar and run to the target with the dog to help them get it right.

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Re: Forced Go-Out

That is not unusual Kathy; but why or why not?


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Re: Forced Go-Out

A forced go out, as defined by me, (you may have a different definition) is that the dog learns that he MUST run AWAY from the handler. It does not matter so much how it is taught whether electric, with the pinch, a foot or whatever. The dog knows that he MUST run away and is not just running towards something.


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Re: Forced Go-Out

Ah you are doing SchH too, I am an AKC'er. I don't use punsihment to train a dog, I will use mild corrections to proof a dog. But the go out in AKC is probably different than in SchH.

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No reason to have to do a forced send out. Just train it correctly using drive and reward

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Re: Forced Go-Out

And where is such thing as a "go-out" in Schutzhund?

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Re: Forced Go-Out

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The "go-out" is the last obedience exercise; the "vorous".

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That is the way it is usually trained, but what happens when you are on a strange field and the dog has no reason to expect a ball to be waiting at the end?


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Re: Forced Go-Out

In the voraus you don't need to teach the dog to go away from the handler, it works good teaching him to run straight forward to an imaginary target.

I used Sheila Booth method, the target is behind the spot where you did the recall. As in everything else, I don't see a reason to teach any forced exercise, nor to use force at all, at least not until you are polishing or correcting and even there I'd call it more "pressure" than force.

I may be naive, but I can't conceive how electric, pinch or foot can be used to teach a send-out... But I can't conceive a forced retrieve either and thanks gods I've never seen it done yet. So I bet there is people with more imagination than me that can do such a thing.

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Re: Forced Go-Out

I've never heard of training the send out by force. How can you get the dog to run with focus and energy and verve if you train with compulsion and fear?

As for trialing on a strange field, you train for it. You go to as many new places that you can, show your dog the ball on the stick, and send him. Then he has no reason to NOT think that there isnt' a ball out there if he just keeps running gung-ho straight and fast.

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