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post #1 of 20 (permalink) Old 07-27-2009, 01:15 PM Thread Starter
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Sleeve preferences

My husband got certified as a helper a couple of weeks ago at basic level and we're in the market for a good sleeve. Our TD has and recommended the Schweikert 9540, which is not made anymore (his has the number engraved on the cuff... he's had it for a long time, I guess they put on stickers now).

Here's what we're considering based on what I have been reading online on working dog forums and so forth... kind of wanted to get feedback if you've used any of these. We're looking for something that's mostly for training but can be used at a trial.

http://www.dogsportgear.com/bite_bar_trial_sleeves.htm

Schweikert 5980 or 5984

http://www.hallmarkk9.com/gappaytrialsleeve-soft.aspx

Gappay soft trial sleeve

http://www.totalk-9.com/index.php?page=s...uemart&Itemid=3

Eurosport trial sleeve

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Re: Sleeve preferences

Our club uses bende sleeves and covers

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Re: Sleeve preferences

Those are the ones sold by Elite K9 right? I read somewhere that they were pretty hard but is there one you'd recommend, specifically?

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Re: Sleeve preferences

One suggestion I would have would be for hubby to try on several different brands of sleeves, and ideally work a dog or two in them, before buying one. Different brands of sleeves are shaped somewhat differently with different barrel lengths, widths, and angles of the handle. So size (length and circumference of arm) as well as what hand position is most natural and comfortable in terms of the handle, can make a BIG difference with regard to what sleeve works for any individual person.

For example, we have a Schweikert 80 and 82. One of our helpers loves the 80, but ends up with scraped knuckles and raspberries if he works a dog in the 82, because of the way it fits his arm.

The angle of the handle (and thus of the bite bar presentation) on different models can be an issue. One angle may be perfect for one person, making a correct presentation easy, whereas that angle is just wrong for another person, making them have to consciously think about presenting the bitebar at the right angle because the way they generally hold their hand doesn't work well for that sleeve.

I personally love the Gappay, and on the occasions I work dogs our 10yo Gappay is far and away my favorite. But Gappay doesn't seem to be as durable as Schweikert and overall I think the Schweikert sleeves are made better than Gappay.. but the Schweikert handle angle is just wrong for me so I don't like using them.


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Looks like elite k9, but they removed the labels and put their own. I buy from Danny, http://www.itbitez.net/servlet/StoreFront

our TD used to sell Bende yrs ago, Danny has the line now.

I agree with Chris, there are many diff. kinds. A trial sleeve is diff. from a training sleeve or a puppy sleeve.

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Anyone know if the the 9580 and the 5980 are the same? If they are, that's what we'd buy because my husband LOVES the 9580.

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Never heard of a 9580. I have a feeling it's a 5980 with a typo.


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That's what I was thinking but I asked our TD to confirm and he said 9580 when I emailed him yesterday. A typo engraved on the cuff though? I emailed Schweikert so hopefully they'll tell me if it's just a typo or if the 5980 is it. Too bad I can't look at the sleeve without the cover to see if it's the same one. My hubby really likes it though.

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Both Elite K9 and itbizs are Bende.

You can tell, as there is the Hungarian flag sewn on the inside....


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Both Elite K9 and itbizs are Bende.

You can tell, as there is the Hungarian flag sewn on the inside....


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