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Should I consider Schutzhund?

I am for sure going to be working with my new girl but I have male that is going to be a year old next week and he has no spectacular pedigree and I plan on having him neutered soon. My question is... he has a VERY high drive and I want to find something to challenge him. Would this be a wise idea or should I just stick with more in depth obedience work? I spoke with my girls breeder and he said I could but he said most don’t worry about titling them if they are not planned on being breed.
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Re: Should I consider Schutzhund?

There are many people who participate in SchH as a fun hobby for handler and dog to do together, and who do it with dogs who they have no intention of breeding. So just because you don't plan to breed him is no reason you can't do SchH if you find it's something both of you will enjoy. Best way to determine that is to check into local SchH clubs, go watch training and ask questions, have your boy evaluated and give it a try.


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Re: Should I consider Schutzhund?

That is absolutely ridiculous. I have zero desire to EVER breed a single dog I ever own, male or female, and I love doing schutzhund. If more people took this approach rather than believing every titled dog should be bred, the breed would be much better off.

Additionally, you will not begin any real training with your new puppy for quite some time so your male is a perfect dog to learn with. The things you learn with him will prove to be invaluable with your "real" dog.

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Re: Should I consider Schutzhund?

People do schutzhund with mixed breed dogs that they get from the pound. There is no reason why you shouldn't do it if you enjoy it. My friend got BHs on her Border Collies and one is ready for a Sch1, another woman I know who had titled GSDs was going to try training her Standard Poodle too.
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Re: Should I consider Schutzhund?

Yep if you want to try, try! Neutered doesn't matter, pedigree doesn't matter. You won't know until you try. I know of two people with pound mutts who have SchH titles, and I saw Lauri brought her Chinese Crested to a SchH seminar.
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Re: Should I consider Schutzhund?

yup, I am even working my american bulldog with bad joints through all of schutzhund 1 except the jumps. I just want to learn new things and give her something to do, I know she will never go past her bh.
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Re: Should I consider Schutzhund?

Yes, I think you should consider SchH. My opinion is that you should certainly explore SchH to understand what it means to participate.

The single most important thing I have gained through my pursuit of SchH is an appreciation for what a GSD really is.....I am amazed at what I didn't know a year ago, and I am awed at what I still have to learn. I enjoy every step.

There are two bigs questions....does your dog have enough drive and do you have the passion to train?


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Re: Should I consider Schutzhund?

Keep in mind the breeder might likely be a showline type. They (in general) seem to view a titling a dog as a necessary evil and something that they "must" do and very, very often farm the process out for thousands in ca$h. To such a person, going through the effort to title a non-breeding dog might not make sense.

FWIW, I don't believe in neutering male dogs. I feel it hurts their work (other disagree with this but I strongly believe it) and research shows that for the minimal health benefits cited by vets, there are tons more health issues caused by the practice, especially depending on age. I personally feel that if you can't manage an intact dog you shouldn't own one - it is that simple. I've got an intact male & female at home and have for years. Never had an issue. Most other SchH people do as well. It is part of the PC infusion by radical liberals that has led to an almost zombie like mass belief that you can't be a good pet owner if you don't neuter/spay your animal. While maybe given the abysmally low sense of responsibility possessed by the average Joe these days, sterilization might actually be a good idea, by the sheer fact that you’ve come here seeking information and recognize the need for your high drive dog to have an outlet, you show yourself to be someone of sufficient ability to ensure your dog doesn’t breed accidently. So why not leave him intact to ensure that he develops into a healthy animal?

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Re: Should I consider Schutzhund?

I have decided to for sure take him out to a training session and see how it goes, if he has what it takes. I have no other hobbies, want to get them envolved in something.

Now just to find a good club in my area, seems to be a bit difficult. I had heard good things about DFW Working Dogs but now not so much.
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Re: Should I consider Schutzhund?

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Originally Posted By: Chris Wildhave your boy evaluated and give it a try.
I'm in a similar situation to the OP, and I have a question about getting into schutzhund that goes along with this topic, so I thought I'd add on instead of start a new one to keep the discussion going.

I have a young male (Duke, 14 weeks) without an impressive pedigree, but I would love to find something we can do together. I eventually want to get a GSD *with* an impressive background to really get into schutzhund with. Duke is *technically* my husband's dog (by that I mean we got him with my husbands preferances--a big boy, darkest of the litter, not quite as high ball drive as my Bella) and since my husband wanted one that wasn't quite as OCD about playing ball as Bella I'm not sure he'd be a great dog to do much schutzhund with. HOWEVER, when you get him alone (so he can play with the toys without Bella stealing them!) he looks like he does have SOME drive at the least--when I throw the ball he first looks at me like "is that for me to get?" and then pounces after it.

So, to go along more with the OP and get some more information for both of us--what age should the testing be done at? When do most people get their dogs started? If a dog doesn't do well on the evaluation, might they still enjoy the beginning of the training but just not be competitive (due to not having a deep bite or whatever reason)?

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