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Turns and finishes for ob. routine ....

... do they have to match? What I mean is, if you do a "flip" turn for the about turns in the heeling pattern, is it acceptable for the dog to finish around the handler's back after the recall and retrieves? I thought not, but I watched the video someone posted of the Asko son doing ob. and he did flip turns with right finishes.
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Re: Turns and finishes for ob. routine ....

Yes, you can do one on the turns and the other on the finish. What you can NOT do is different types of turns or different types finishes at different parts of the routine. All turns must match and all finishes must match, but turn and finish do not have to match each other.


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Re: Turns and finishes for ob. routine ....

Ok, thanks! phew
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Re: Turns and finishes for ob. routine ....

Aaaaaaaaaaah!!! I understood different last time too.

I may consider back turns then...

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Re: Turns and finishes for ob. routine ....

Yeah my dog is getting better with the flip turns while moving (and it's just easier for me, she's just not as tight going around the back and then you have to switch the lead), but her left finish is not as nice b/c we did rally first and we do it differently for that, so I would prefer to use the right finish. But we're almost done with rally so at this point I might as well pick what I want and stop trying to polish the other since it won't ever get used.
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Re: Turns and finishes for ob. routine ....

Does anyone NOT teach the flip finish? I haven't taught it myself, always do the behind my back one.

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Re: Turns and finishes for ob. routine ....

We do behind the back for both.

And one day I will have a bloody nose from his jump then finish.

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Re: Turns and finishes for ob. routine ....

Argos does behind the back for both. Anka flips on both.

I think sometimes the structure of the dog comes into play and also how you train the heel position. A long big dog will have a harder time swinging his butt around than a smaller quick dog...but of course it can be done. Once Anka learned the flip it was very natural for her to pivot on the turn. Argos was taught to finish around the back, so he seemed to naturally go that way to get back into position.

I always trained it off leash, so I never really trouble with switching hands. (I also found that if I ran away after I made the left turn, my dog had to run to catch me and be in position again, and the turns got tighter as a result at normal speed)

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Re: Turns and finishes for ob. routine ....

Kenya can do either turn and either finish, but her flip turn is cleaner and tighter than going around the back (mind you she is 60lbs max and 21", and she will lag a tad sooner than she will forge and wrap). Her left finish doesn't match the flip, though. Instead of her pivoting her rear into position, she LEAPS in the air and then turns around. In training I've only been doing flip turns, but I do both finishes b/c she started this nasty habit of anticipating the finish. So we've been working on longer front sits, me releasing with no finish, and me using both finishes. The reason I'd use the right finish is she does that one when I say "fuss", so if I can I might as well just use that rather than change "fuss" to mean the left finish (which we've always done just with a hand signal for AKC events).
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Re: Turns and finishes for ob. routine ....

I have a smaller quick dog so I have never had a problem with the around the back turns with her. I just hope they don't start expecting all of us to start doing flips LOL.

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