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post #1 of 11 (permalink) Old 06-10-2015, 09:18 AM Thread Starter
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Is my diet sufficient? Leq quarters

I have a 9 mo. male GSD and wanted to confirm my diet to determine if the community has any thoughts.

My dog is fed primarily leg quarters, however some other meats as well as organ meat is also introduced.Here are the specs:

9 mo. 80 lbs. Target weight 85-90 lbs
Feed three times per day :

Meal 1 (Early Morning): 1 Leg qtr (1.1-1.3 lbs), pork ribs (.3-.5 lbs)
Meal 2: Up to .3 lbs chicken liver and some commercial base mix (honest kitchen base formula - vegetables, vitamins, some grain. Mixed with water and livers)
Meal 3: (Evening): 1 Leg qtr (1.1-1.3 lbs), pork ribs (.3-.5 lbs)

Sometimes the 2nd meal is skipped, but if that case he eats the livers during one of the other meals.

His target was set at 85 so he eats an average of 2.6-2.75 lbs/day, primarily in leg quarters.

He is completely healthy - vet said he is in great shape and no signs of malnutrion or overfeeding. Perfectly fit, healthy, happy.


I have been reading that it is a poor choice to exclusively feed chicken quarters. Is this true? He has no complaints, and unless the community has other opinions we see no reason to.
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I'm on my phone, and an extensive reply is hard on this keyboard, so please excuse my relatively brief response.

A minimum of 3 proteins should be included in a raw diet, and if possible, 2 of the three should be red meat sources. (Red meat should be the majority of what you feed.)

I also use chicken leg quarters as my base, but include as much protein variety as possible, and feed as much red meat as I can afford. I like feeding chicken as my bone source because of the easier digestibility of the bone.
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I just read over your post again, and see that you're feeding liver as your only organ. 50% of the organ you feed should be liver, and the other half should be other secreting organ (spleen, kidney, pancreas, etc.)
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I understand that we should increase our organ variety, but is there rationale behind the variety in protein sources?

Of course variety is best, but he is happy with the current system and, from our vet's determination, the dog is very healthy. This is hard seeing as our vet is anti-raw.

What effects could arise from the lack of red meat intake and majority of chicken protein? We tried ground beef but had no luck (i assume too much fat and so he had loose movements), all other sources of red meat that we have found are a bit expensive. He does well with pork - would you recommend increasing this meat?
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Variety is never a bad thing, but in the end you have to work with what is best for your dog. My dogs main sources are chicken and beef but they get turkey, lamb, fish, and venison added often. They didn't do as well with pork so it's rarely given

I think the issue if you are only giving pork bones so even if there's meat on them the meat content is very low so essentially you're feed 95% (just a rough estimate) chicken only. The saying "too much of a good thing" comes to mind, variety adds vitamins, minerals, etc that a single protein might not have otherwise.

Look around for at least two more sources of meat, check with butchers, co-ops, etc and see if you can find reasonable prices.

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Here are some approximate nutrient comparisons for you to consider between Beef & Chicken

Iron content: (Heme = animal foods that originally contained hemoglobin)
Beef 3 ounces:
2.1 milligrams

Chicken 3 ounces:
0.7 milligrams

Beef Liver
3.5 milligrams

Chicken Liver
3.5 milligrams

BEEF (8 ounces)
Calories = 349
Fat = 17 mg
Potassium = 828

CHICKEN (8 ounces)
Calories = 275
Fat = 6 mg
Potassium = 425

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It seems like a lot in one day. Did you do the math to determine how much to feed daily? I did the math at raw food ranch. Search here for it. One of the members run it. Then there is math to get the meat, bone and organ ratio correct. Too much protein can cause problems down the road for a growing pup.

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Thank you for all of your feedback.

Are any supplements available which can replenish the vitamins in red meat?

We will incorporate some red meat into his diet however I am curious if there any multi-vitamins or individual supplements which satisfy this gap.

We also provide a base formula at lunch which includes added minerals. These are designed to be added with raw meat (no bone) to satisfy a dog's diet. We use it as a lunch snack.
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No no no, feeding just leg quarters and liver is not sufficient... This is why a lot of vets are opposed to raw because people do not feed it correctly.

Your dog is fine now but these items alone are not enough variety and he could possibly become deficient in certain vitamins and minerals over time. At least 3 different protein sources is recommend, the bulk of which being red meat. More is better of course, my dogs get chicken, turkey, duck, beef, lamb, pork, fish, emu and rabbit. Variety is so essential especially with organs, the bulk should be liver but others need to be included as well... I feed kidney, spleen and pancreas.

An unbalanced diet is not healthy long term especially for a growing puppy, how long have you been feeding him this way? if you need help finding more proteins sources the raw feeding community on Facebook is a great place with knowledge people who live all over the country and around the world.

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Thank you for all of your feedback.

Are any supplements available which can replenish the vitamins in red meat?

We will incorporate some red meat into his diet however I am curious if there any multi-vitamins or individual supplements which satisfy this gap.

We also provide a base formula at lunch which includes added minerals. These are designed to be added with raw meat (no bone) to satisfy a dog's diet. We use it as a lunch snack.
The Honest Kitchen is a GREAT product but, if you are not feeding the recommended amount, per day, for your size dog, he may not be getting all of the daily requirements of vitamins/minerals with his other raw meals. More research is necessary for complete raw feeding.

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