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post #1 of 36 (permalink) Old 12-17-2011, 08:51 AM Thread Starter
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Breeders claiming to own stud dogs they don't

I've come across some breeders' websites that have stud dog's listed as their own when I know for sure they don't own them. It's obviously to promote puppy sales. For the people who actually do own the dog and the public, it's fraud. Saying you have puppy by so and so is one thing, but listing a dog as belonging to that kennel when he is not owned by them is another. Has anyone else noticed this?
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Is it possible they don't own them, but use them?

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Breeders often show dogs they have used for breeding on their sites...nothing wrong with that - I have a page for a male I do not own, but his owner is clearly stated on the page. Some people do not go into detail, but consider that "everyone" knows they just used the dog for stud or have a pup from him.

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I see stud dogs on breeders site that I know they don't own...no issues. I like seeing what stud they are using with a pedigree link and picture. Some will say owned by XX, some don't which is fine.
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Are you sure they're claiming to own them? Or just that they use them? It's not uncommon for breeders to go outside of their own kennel to find a suitable mate for their bitches. Actually, I'd say it's more common for them to find an outside stud than use one of their own.

I'd personally rather see a breeder that goes outside of their own kennel to find a suitable male, because a breeder who thinks that all of their males/females will be a perfect pairing isn't the best breeder, IMO.

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The term stud dog...simply means....dog used for "semen".
Unless someone states that the stud dog is owned by them.....it is just common practice to "exhibit" the stud dog that a breeder has used for breeding....whether owned by them or not.
I've used stud dogs from other kennels both here and Germany...I would never think twice about "exhibiting" their photo on my website or litter advertisement.

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I've come across some breeders' websites that have stud dog's listed as their own when I know for sure they don't own them. It's obviously to promote puppy sales. For the people who actually do own the dog and the public, it's fraud. Saying you have puppy by so and so is one thing, but listing a dog as belonging to that kennel when he is not owned by them is another. Has anyone else noticed this?
That is what the OP is saying.

Acknowledges that you can say you have a puppy by so and so, but saying that the dog is your kennel's dog is another idea altogether.





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Would you mind PM'ing me an example of of a breeder listing studs as their own?

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I wonder if they are really listed as such or of the OP assumes it. As already stated breeders do and should post breedings whether they own the stud or not. Can you image purchasing a puppy in which only the dam is listed? Exactly.
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I know a stud owner who bred a bitch whose owner did exactly this. She put the dog on her website as her own. It was not appreciated by the stud owner, and she asked her to remove him from her site, which she did after a while.

I think that if you do not own the dog, then it costs NOTHING to list owned by _______ under his picture.

I too think it is good to use outside studs, there is certainly nothing wrong with that.

The reasons to list a dog as your own that is not, is to gain respect for owning such a dog, or to gain stud business for your own dogs. You can tell people who call, "Blitz" is currently unavailable, but I have "Fido" here with similar lines, etc, etc.

Frankly, I think it is unethical to list a stud without listing the stud's owner with him. However, if you have a dog, whose pedigree you are showing, and that dog is closely related, putting the dog's photo in the picture pedigree, that's not a problem.

The situation I was referring to had a page for each of their males and listed my friend's dog as one of their males. Since I bred to this same dog, I had my puppy buyers calling me and asking me if my friend sold her dog. That should never happen.

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