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post #1 of 35 (permalink) Old 02-08-2011, 06:56 PM Thread Starter
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Oh boy... to be honest, I could start a waiting list for people that would take Puppies from Indra & Yukon, even though he is not titled.
And those are not pet-homes. Those would be working-homes with a real job. To be specific SAR -Homes.

Now I am wondering, if I did that. Despite him not being titled, and his pups would actually go into working homes... would I still be an irresponsible BYB?

Both come from great working lines. Both have the drive and what it takes. Indra is in training and will be certified and I have no doubt about that. I am completely hooked on SAR.
And with those people that are honestly interested it gets more and more tempting to actually do it.

So I am debating whether or not to get her spayed, whether or not to breed them two. Now if she has bad hips (Yukon has excellent hips and ellbows by the way) that would make it very easy. I'd actually get her spayed right there at the vet and wouldn't wait for the OFA evaluation.

Now that is something I can see myself actually doing...

So, what would you call it if those pups go into working home but the male wasn't titled at all and all he has is health clearance?

Ps: in the end I always do the right thing, whatever the right thing is. I know I tend to over-debate-discuss things... i like getting lots and lots of opinions to see it from every possible perspective.

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I would wait at mimimum until they are both certified SAR dogs and have a BH and maybe a CD or something.

And also consider who is asking for you....I'm assuming people from your team?

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I would wait at mimimum until they are both certified SAR dogs and have a BH and maybe a CD or something.

And also consider who is asking for you....I'm assuming people from your team?
Well, Yukon is too old for SAR. He's six years old. I actually discussed that with one of my team-members already but he is not too old for other titles.

IF I do it, I would wait until she is at least two and a half or three years old. By then she should already be certified and we will have the OFA evaluation.
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You could title him in some other working avenue.

Also, are you sure they would be a good match for each other or do you just like the simplicity of having a stud and bitch in the same place?

Also think abou if you'd really want to be selling the people interested in them a dog...if you know what I mean.

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You could title him in some other working avenue.

Also, are you sure they would be a good match for each other or do you just like the simplicity of having a stud and bitch in the same place?

Also think abou if you'd really want to be selling the people interested in them a dog...if you know what I mean.
From the lines, they'd be a great match. My dad looked into Indras Pedigree and he already said that he would be very interested in seeing pups out of both of them.

The linebreeding would be to Gildo. It would be fourth and fifth Generation
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c1...omBrenfang.jpg
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It's definitely not because it's convenient to have a sire and a female at home
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This is what the pedigree would look like


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what about doing some AKC titles on Yukon??? the tracking plus the obedience CD or CDX - those, plus hips & elbows - maybe even a show rating (yes, in the adult untitled class - does not matter for Koer) and a BH???? There is a show in May in Buffalo - Herr Wilfred Scheld is the judge/koermeister....

the RH1 should be doable for both of them as well.....not it is not Schutzhund - but a nice little group of credentials just the same ....

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what about doing some AKC titles on Yukon??? the tracking plus the obedience CD or CDX - those, plus hips & elbows - maybe even a show rating (yes, in the adult untitled class - does not matter for Koer) and a BH???? There is a show in May in Buffalo - Herr Wilfred Scheld is the judge/koermeister....

the RH1 should be doable for both of them as well.....not it is not Schutzhund - but a nice little group of credentials just the same ....

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Would I need his papers and have him AKC registered to participate in that show? The papers are still with the SV and without them I can't get him registered with the AKC. If I can participate without him being AKC registered and having the papers on hand, I will definitely show him
If I can't do it there, I'll simply do match showings until I get his papers.
I can most certainly get him titled in obedience, the BH and Tracking.

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I guess it depends on one's interpretation of a BYB. For instance the breeder I got Zoe from had both parents OFA'd, health tested, both dogs are from strong well known working lines, and have simple OB titles, but no real working titles. By many people's definition she is from a BYB.

When I think BYB I think of owners with oops litters or who just threw any two dogs together, do not do any health testing at all, and don't bother to vet the mom and.or pups. So without titles some will call you a BYB, but then again others will not. You could definitely get some titles on both of them though you have plenty of time
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The lack of papers may be a problem with registering the puppies. You will need Yukon's SV papers to get his AKC papers. Please remind me why Yukon's registration is at issue?
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