Question about police dog trainers - German Shepherd Dog Forums
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #1 of 29 (permalink) Old 04-14-2007, 10:21 PM Thread Starter
Knighted Member
 
chjhu's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: MD
Posts: 2,834
Question about police dog trainers

Our rescue occasionally gets applications from individuals who claim to be police dog trainers or K-9 handlers/trainers. Unfortunately we had very bad experience with two who ended up adopting our dogs. Both dogs were returned in bad state (emotional and physical). The person who claimed to be a K-9 trainer fo a NY PD said the dog was not trainable. Two of our foster homes and the pet-people who adopted her after the police officer had no problems with her. The second police officer almost ended up shooting a really nice dog that is doing beautifully in her new home (after recovering from the abuse she was subjected to by the man who wanted to shoot her).

We have another applicant who says he was a K-9 trainer. The dog he is interested in is said to have killed some chickens. The applicant made a claim that if the dog was aggressive with chickens he would be aggressive with people too. I would somehow expect that someone who has trained a narcotics dog would know something about drives. He also said that he did aggression training with his K-9. Is the term aggression trainig used by police dog trainers?

What questions should we ask to verify if the person is a real police dog trainer? I am surprised by some of the comments of the most recent applicant and I wonder about his understanding of dogs. I guess my question is how much dog knowledge these people are supposed to have and how we should screen them best (to avoid bringing another nice dog into a situation of nearly getting shot)?

Thanks for any suggestions you can offer.
chjhu is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 29 (permalink) Old 04-14-2007, 11:08 PM
Moderator
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Tn
Posts: 868
Re: Question about police dog trainers

I've been fortunate enough to obtain several dogs from rescues in our local area. We've taken the time to get to know them, show the the behaviors we are looking for and spent time with the rescues, and animal shelters in the area. We provide them a request for the dog, on our offical letterhead, if they ask. They also know, that if for some reason we take a dog, and it doesn't work out, we find it a suitable home and do not return them to shelters. All officers and department personel carry departmental ID's. If an agency is in doubt, make them show it.

DFrost
DFrost is offline  
post #3 of 29 (permalink) Old 04-14-2007, 11:27 PM Thread Starter
Knighted Member
 
chjhu's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: MD
Posts: 2,834
Re: Question about police dog trainers

Thanks.

These two dogs I mentioned were adopted as personal pets by the police officers (after they retired from active duty) so we cannot really require any formal paperwork from them (or more paperwork than we require from our other applicants). I would have expected that they could handle a dog that our volunteers were able to handle with ease, but it was not the case. All adopters are required by the adoption contract to return the dog to us if they are unwilling/unable to keep it. Most of the applicants we deal with don't own a gun, so the danger of shooting the dog when they have a bad day is minimal, unlike with these current and former police officers. I have to admit that am surprised that these three don't have more dog-knowledge as police dog trainers. Or am I missing something? I do believe thay are with the police, I wonder about the dog trainer part of the story and how to verify it.
chjhu is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #4 of 29 (permalink) Old 04-15-2007, 08:35 AM
Moderator
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Tn
Posts: 868
Re: Question about police dog trainers

<<<<I wonder about the dog trainer part of the story and how to verify it. >>>

Call the department and ask.

Re your comment about: <<<<Most of the applicants we deal with don't own a gun, so the danger of shooting the dog when they have a bad day is minimal, unlike with these current and former police officers.>>>>

We, meaning the police officers and trainers I've met over the past 40 years, are not in the habit of shooting dogs because we or the dog has had a bad day. That comment just doesn't make sense to me. As for the skill level of a police trainer that could range from a new handler that has completed 2 to 10 weeks of school, to someone that has been dealing with police dogs for many years. The best source for an individual is from them, verified by the department.

DFrost
DFrost is offline  
post #5 of 29 (permalink) Old 04-15-2007, 09:05 AM
Crowned Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Nashville, TN and Budapest HU
Posts: 4,509
Re: Question about police dog trainers

"If an agency is in doubt, make them show it."

We have a couple of those buying dogs for k9 work south of our area. A few years ago, we had to pull dogs from one of them and had to get them all fully vetted and took 3 weeks to get back to normal weight. No certifications, train on pseudo (they can not get real - no DEA license that takes a bit of work to get, but not impossible unless there is a reason).

Ask for proof, certification, results. "Assocation" with people does not count. "Large" facilities (that the dogs are not worked at) does not count.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Smithie86 is offline  
post #6 of 29 (permalink) Old 04-15-2007, 12:08 PM
Crowned Member
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Beaumont,Texas
Posts: 4,980
Re: Question about police dog trainers

The term "trainer" is kind of relative. some of these folks might be wannabe vendors too. Ask for referrences. Agencies that these folks have trained police k9s for. Call them. Contact the head of you local police k9 unit and ask if they have heard of them etc. Do a little research [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/01_smile.gif[/img]
ladylaw203 is offline  
post #7 of 29 (permalink) Old 04-15-2007, 12:45 PM Thread Starter
Knighted Member
 
chjhu's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: MD
Posts: 2,834
Re: Question about police dog trainers

Thanks.

In the past the gun issue never crossed my mind. Then one evening I received a call from one of the two adopters I mentioned. He told me that he would shoot the dog if I don't come and pick it up immediately. I could not help being concerned about my own safety going to this man's house. I managed to convince him to meet him at a gas station near his house - at least it was a public place.

Since then I have a knot in my stomach thinking of placing a dog with someone who I know owns a gun (dogs can be frustrating at times). Dealing with situations like this goes beyond what my idea is of volunteering for the dogs. We probably had some bad luck that two out of two people turned out to have violence issues. It makes me uncomfortable.

We'll do some more research about our current applicant, I just don't have the impression that he is that knowledgeable about dogs (for having trained a tracking, patrol, narcotics dog). He seems nice, but so did the other two initially.
chjhu is offline  
post #8 of 29 (permalink) Old 04-15-2007, 01:08 PM
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: IL, (630)
Posts: 34
Re: Question about police dog trainers

[ QUOTE ]
Since then I have a knot in my stomach thinking of placing a dog with someone who I know owns a gun (dogs can be frustrating at times).

[/ QUOTE ]

I can't quite believe what I'm reading.

And that's really the best I can do right now without vulgarity. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/22_headscratch.gif[/img]
stevenlepic is offline  
post #9 of 29 (permalink) Old 04-15-2007, 02:58 PM
Moderator
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Tn
Posts: 868
Re: Question about police dog trainers

<<<Since then I have a knot in my stomach thinking of placing a dog with someone who I know owns a gun >>>


And that's happened ONCE? I'm there are thousands of people that adopt dogs that have guns. The US is the largest civilaian gun owning country in the world. If I concerned about something that has happened one time, I'd never drive again. nearly 30,000 people a year are killed in automobiles and there are something like 2 cars for every person in the US. That just doesn't make sense.

Both Ladylaw and I gave you suggestions on how to determine if the person is a police trainer, a potential vendor etc. I can tell you from experience, a dog that is rescued by a law enforcement department and put into service as a working dog, will have a better home than a majority of pets, regardless of how they were obtained.

DFrost
DFrost is offline  
post #10 of 29 (permalink) Old 04-15-2007, 07:01 PM
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: IL, (630)
Posts: 34
Re: Question about police dog trainers

42 million households in the US possessed at least one firearm in 2004

http://injuryprevention.bmj.com/cgi/...t/full/13/1/15


- There are approximately 68,000,000 owned dogs in the United States.
- Four in ten households own at least one dog.

Source: American Pet Products Manufacturers Association (APPMA)
2001-2002 National Pet Owners Survey and the HSUS

"Eich" vom Leerburg


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
stevenlepic is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the German Shepherd Dog Forums forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in










Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
One police dog and one non police dog. Skye~ Police K-9 6 01-24-2015 07:42 PM
A Quick Question For PP Dog Trainers. jafo220 Police K-9 5 05-14-2014 01:35 PM
Awesome Police Dog work from the Salzburg Police, Austria Mrs.K General Information 11 10-27-2012 05:40 PM
question about in home trainers... ashylove General Information 7 05-21-2011 02:39 PM
Differences with trainers - quick opinion question TaegansMom Training Theory & Methods 14 11-15-2008 12:22 AM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome