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post #1 of 20 (permalink) Old 01-06-2019, 06:55 PM Thread Starter
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Passive Alert vs Aggressive (Active) Alert In Narcotic K9 Sniffs

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Just wondering how everyone is training their K9 partners to alert when locating narcotics on a vehicle or in a building. My department uses the aggressive alert, but I see a lot more departments going to the passive alert. Is this because of avoiding damage, handler preferences or another reason? Just curious to hear everyones opinion.
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Passive primarily to avoid damages. As an MWD handler late 70s early 80
s twice my partner MWD Lucifer aggressively alerted on vehicles causing damage once to a dash board and once scratching down the passengers front door. Both times the government reimbursed the owners although we knew for sure the dash board and the rest of the interior had the smell of MJ on it. The military started going to passive response in the very early 80s and have not changed it until this day. As a civilian trainer I will only train passive response for that very same reason.
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I've switched all our dogs to passive alerting and a "lock and hold." Aggressive alerting dogs cause too much damage and too much paper work. I find that passive alerting dogs go to source better and I will never train another aggressive alerting dog again. I find it much more relaxing, enjoyable and have less stress with a passive alerting dog. I've had both, trained both and see no benefits to active or aggressive alerting dogs verse a passive dog.
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What is the difference between passive alerting and aggressive alerting?

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Passive primarily to avoid damages. As an MWD handler late 70s early 80
s twice my partner MWD Lucifer aggressively alerted on vehicles causing damage once to a dash board and once scratching down the passengers front door. Both times the government reimbursed the owners although we knew for sure the dash board and the rest of the interior had the smell of MJ on it. The military started going to passive response in the very early 80s and have not changed it until this day. As a civilian trainer I will only train passive response for that very same reason.
You knew it with no proof other than the dog, who can't tell you what they smelled. The crusade against marijuana is wonderful for those sorts of things.
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Yes I trusted my dog and my nose as well.
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Yes I trusted my dog and my nose as well.
So arrest them and/or seize the car?
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Marijuana preferences and/or biases aside, aggressive alerts have no useful benefits over passive. Either way, it's clear the dog found something...And as Slam said, "Aggressive alerting dogs cause too much damage and too much paper work."
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Sabs was trained and used periodically for narcotics detection. I liked her alert and I don't even know how or if I taught it. It seemed like she learned what I wanted her to do and then figured out the alert part on her own. She would poke/point and then look at me and then back at what she indicated. It was super useful when we were on access control because she could move through a line up quickly and quietly with support pulling indicated persons out behind us. Also since she would point at a pocket/purse/bag/hand etc, we did not waste much time looking. With vehicle searches we had no damage concerns and again because the indication was quiet we could get the dog in and out with minimal disruption or attracting attention.

I would guess that police departments would have similar needs and if anyone can tell me HOW to get a passive alert trained I would be appreciative. It sucks having only handled trained dogs and one that did most of the work for me.
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