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I can see where an active indication could be useful (diabetic alert dog for example). My scentwork instructor has a diabetic alert dog with two active indicators- one for high sugar and one for low. He had to train the dog around those for the sport since he didn't want the dog pawing a nice car's paintjob or destroying a container during the trial.

I don't do narcotic detection, but I do NACSW and AKC Scentwork. I trained two passive alerts for ease of recognizing when my dog found the hide in my earlier stages of the sport. One for high (sit) and one for low (down). I'm getting better at noticing when the dog is working odor now though.

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You knew it with no proof other than the dog, who can't tell you what they smelled. The crusade against marijuana is wonderful for those sorts of things.
The dog's alert does provide probable cause for a search of a vehicle, per the SCOTUS. Marijuana is still illegal in the majority of the United States. This topic is not a debate about the legality of Marijuana and it will not become one. I recommend that you keep your comments on topic. If you have something to add to this thread, remember the topic is passive vs aggressive alerting dogs.

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What is the difference between passive alerting and aggressive alerting?
Basically, passive dogs are trained to sit, down or lock and stare at the source of the odor. Active or aggressive alerting dogs are trained to scratch at the source of the odor. Aggressive alerting dogs may also bite at the source of the odor.

All Explosive detection dogs are passively trained for obvious reasons. narcotics dogs can be trained to do either.

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I was speaking with someone who trains pups for narcotics/scent work (explosives, bed bugs, medical- some really cool applications there). Anyway, she said they train using a very unique odor that is not replicated anywhere else. There was an acronym I can't remember at the moment. This allows the dog to transition to whatever they are worked in easily. They teach them how to search, alert, and all the rest using this unique odor.

Just curious, Slam or anyone who trains detection dogs- do you also use this before the dog is specialized on an odor? I'd never heard of it before... but it seems like an interesting concept. Sorry to divert from the topic a bit, but I hope this question fits.
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I was speaking with someone who trains pups for narcotics/scent work (explosives, bed bugs, medical- some really cool applications there). Anyway, she said they train using a very unique odor that is not replicated anywhere else. There was an acronym I can't remember at the moment. This allows the dog to transition to whatever they are worked in easily. They teach them how to search, alert, and all the rest using this unique odor.

Just curious, Slam or anyone who trains detection dogs- do you also use this before the dog is specialized on an odor? I'd never heard of it before... but it seems like an interesting concept. Sorry to divert from the topic a bit, but I hope this question fits.
No, we only use the actual target odor. We train our narcotics dogs on the odor of marijuana, cocaine (including crack), Heroin, Meth and MDMA or ecstasy. We have access to the actual narcotics and train wth that. We do no use Pseudo or anything else as we have the real thing readily available to us.

I'm not sure what the person you were speaking uses for a target odor. Sounds interesting.

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I suppose you missed the point of my previous post to stay on topic. I have no intention of going down this rabbit hole with you. Again, please refrain from any further off topic posts on this thread.

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Basically, passive dogs are trained to sit, down or lock and stare at the source of the odor. Active or aggressive alerting dogs are trained to scratch at the source of the odor. Aggressive alerting dogs may also bite at the source of the odor.

All Explosive detection dogs are passively trained for obvious reasons. narcotics dogs can be trained to do either.

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So arrest them and/or seize the car?
Can't arrest or seize the vehicle if you don't find actual evidence. Has to be more than just the smell of odor left over. Depending on the amount I didn't arrest anyways. The state I policed in states mj is still illegal to posess.
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We've had a lot of issues with fentanyl around here. I know it can kill first responders including dogs. I would guess that is an odor you would want the dog to alert to as far away as possible?

I'll try to get the name of that synthetic odor. It does seem like a cool concept. I'll talk with the trainer again this weekend. I'm going to start my 11 week old on scent work, so am trying to get him going right, to hopefully transition to a working dual or single purpose K9 at 12-18 months.
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Thanks for sharing everyone. It looks like more departments are going to passive alert. We still do aggressive Alerts.
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