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Do we really need Police K-9's that Bite?

This is my question: is there really a need in today's society for police K-9s that bite? In my limited knowledge, only looking at this from a civilians point of view: my answer is NO.

Here are my reasonstaking this information from Local Police Dept)

1. Our k-9s are never off leash. Too risky for the dog. Too risky for society.
So, if dog is never off leash, and handler has a gun, then why does dog need to have bite capability? Bark and Hold, yes, bite?? I say not necessary. A few years back a K-9 was released in a hospital parking lot and took down a nurse..big problem for the department.

2. When our K-9's bite someone, they usually "maniac" the guy. He needs surgery and the department gets sued. We rarely let them get in a bite, unless we are right there, know where the guy is and can quickly stop the bite. "The dogs need to get a bite in occasionally anyway!) Quote
So, again, if liablity is an issue, then I see the search aspect very important, but why bite?

3. The training is inhumane and unnecessary. Again, my opinion. I feel it is unneccssary to breed and train dogs that "can take this type of training". Its painfull to watch and inhumane.

I believe K-9's are very valuable for SAR, Narc detection, scent work, guarding, crowd control..not biting.

So, food for thought. I am sure folks have many varied opinions. I would like to hear them.

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police having a dog that won't bite is the same as having a gun
with no bullets.
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K-9s are so valuable to both law enforcement & the military.

There's a time & place for everything and we must rely on the training & judgment of the handler before the dog is deployed. This asset cannot be taken away. They must be able to do their jobs and sometimes that means physical contact, countless lives have been saved, situations stopped before they happed.

I could see how for some the training could be hard to watch. But as civilians we don't need to. Let them do their jobs. Thank God for those who can for those that can't. It's a occupation that requires the right mind frame. Just my opinion.
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I hope Cliff tackles this question.




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what does cretinism have to do with a police dog biting and science
suggests iodine as a treatment?

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what does cretinism have to do with a police dog biting and science
suggests iodine as a treatment?
ha ha I have done this before. Pretty sure they posted in the wrong thread
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what does cretinism have to do with a police dog biting and science
suggests iodine as a treatment?
Seems to me to be one of the most blatant insults I've seen on this forum. Pretty tasteless.

From wikipedia: "Cretinism is a condition of severely stunted physical and mental growth due to untreated congenital deficiency of thyroid hormones"

It would appear that Chip Blasiole is indicating that ponyfarm has a mental deficiency due to her beliefs. Rather asinine thing to say in my opinion. And if Chip didn't mean that, he probably should have elaborated.

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ha ha I have done this before. Pretty sure they posted in the wrong thread
...or that happened.

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To the original post- I think it's a really interesting question. Would suspects be easily apprehended if the dog does a bark & hold rather than bite & hold? I don't know. Would the suspect realize that the dog won't bite and just run passed the dog? I might guess that the short time it takes for the dog the catch a running suspect is sufficient enough time for the suspect to be distracted and the police to get there and make the apprehension. ...But I really don't know. Perhaps a suspect chase might be different from a suspect search.

I just did a quick google search on this as I was curious if there are other countries who use dogs without the use of bite. I didn't find anything in a 15 second google search on other countries, but I did find this 216 page dissertation on exactly this topic. http://www.policek9.com/FTPResearch/florida_study.pdf

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The D.O.J. recommendation of interest to thisstudy is the paradigmatic shift from “bite and hold” to
“bark and hold” in canine apprehension methods. As there
is no prior literature to base this decision upon, the
question remains, will this reduce the number of suspect
bitten by police dogs?


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The results from Chapter 4 denote a number of
findings. First, measurement differences were obvious
between traditional reporting and the Bite Ratio Data
Collector. Simply asking handlers to provide bite ratios
tends to underestimate the actual amount of canine force.
Second, handlers with “bark and hold” trained canines
reported higher bite ratios than handlers with “bite and
hold” trained dogs. Finally, additional factors such as
dog breed, Shutzhund training, the number of canine calls,
and whether or not the dog was sexually intact were all
significant correlates of canine force in the final model.

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I, too, hope Cliff answers this, but from my part. My boyfriend is a sergeant in the NYPD, and while not k-9 himself, it makes me feel better knowing the dogs are there. A gun is lethal force, a dog is not. At the end of the day I want him to come home, I want his fellow officers to make it home. Dogs serve an important role on many levels and yes biting is one of them.



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