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post #11 of 18 (permalink) Old 11-12-2017, 12:19 PM
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From what I've seen, most of the people who have $50,000 trained PPDs never use them. They are just there for the trophy.



People who really need protection, either hire a bodyguard, buy a gun and learn how to use it, manage their lifestyle to avoid dangerous scenarios or all of the above. If you have $50 K to throw at a dog that you will probably never use, well... go for it. Doesn't bother me.



Which begs the question- why are PPDs so much pricier than a working police K9? A K9 is very likely to be used, and quite frequently, in his working career. He might very well fight a bad guy. A PPD is almost never used, I can't remember hearing a story of a celebrity and their PPD getting in a fight with an attacker, with the PPD staying in the fight and taking down the attacker. I have, on the other hand, frequently heard of police K9s tracking down a suspect and also staying in the fight with an armed suspect even when injured... perhaps it is simply opportunity and tells us nothing about the quality of the dog, but it does make me wonder.


How much are police k9s? From what I have read about military working dogs (several books on the subject) is their cost of training would likely exceed the PPD numbers I see listed in this thread. Maybe the police k9s are cheaper?

I do believe that there is less liability in PPDs vs MWDs in the sense that PPDs are going to peoples homes typically to be used as a family pet as well. Many MWDs could never be placed with a family due to the drive and liability.


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How much are police k9s? From what I have read about military working dogs (several books on the subject) is their cost of training would likely exceed the PPD numbers I see listed in this thread. Maybe the police k9s are cheaper?

I do believe that there is less liability in PPDs vs MWDs in the sense that PPDs are going to peoples homes typically to be used as a family pet as well. Many MWDs could never be placed with a family due to the drive and liability.


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This is one of the oldest and largest suppliers of K9's in California.
https://www.adlerhorst.com/canines/dog-prices/

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Thanks for the link on police K9s, Steve. I know someone who worked for this PPD company, for price comparison: Protection Dogs by CPI - For Sale ? Trained Adults


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How much are police k9s? From what I have read about military working dogs (several books on the subject) is their cost of training would likely exceed the PPD numbers I see listed in this thread. Maybe the police k9s are cheaper?

I do believe that there is less liability in PPDs vs MWDs in the sense that PPDs are going to peoples homes typically to be used as a family pet as well. Many MWDs could never be placed with a family due to the drive and liability.


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We generally pay between $7,000 - $9,000 for a green dual purpose dog. The training, which we do in house is between 4-5 months, depending on the dog and handler to certify as patrol K-9. The training encompasses building clearing, hard surface tacking, obedience, aggression control, agility, area searches, evidence searches, etc.

When you figure in the cost of the dog, $7,000 on the low end and then add in 4 months of a handler's salary and my salary for training and running the Patrol School. Considering the cost of the dog and 4 months of a handlers salary, you are easily in the mid 20K for a certified Patrol dog. A dual purpose dog, trained in Patrol and Narcotics would be significantly more. A proven dog would be worth even more.

My current dog came from Adlerhorst, the vendor Steve linked. Boru was originally about $13,000 and was a PH1 dog. I got him for a reduced price, and he spent at least 6 months in training to certify in patrol work if not more. We had some issues to work out. He will be certifying in Narcotics detection next week and will be a dual purpose dog. On the PPD market, he would be worth significantly more. If you cold find someone willing to pay a large sum and handle him. IME, those two qualities do not always go together.
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My estimate didn't necessarily include the price of the dog, but yeah it was low end for what I would consider a number to screen out people that were not serious.

Malinois that will do the job tend to be had for a lot cheaper too. I've seen super nice dogs with some training already on them go for 2-3k.

Just basic OB here will run you 2500-3500 a 2 week puppy program is 1000. Personal protection will run way more and I'd never do it with the persons own dog unless it was the rare bird that actually had it in them. If the dog isn't the real deal I wouldn't bother.

Real personal protection will require the use of decoys and good ones will run you 50-100 or more per session. You can bet on having to travel to find those guys too.

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I️ agree with Slamdunc on prices for LE dogs generally speaking. And I am a vendor and broker for LE dogs in NJ, NY, And Pa.
This Tuesday I️ will do maintenance training on two PPD that cost 15,000 separately. PPD in general are more expensive because they are not regulated or have standards, and are marketed to a wealthy clientele generally speaking.
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From what I've seen, most of the people who have $50,000 trained PPDs never use them. They are just there for the trophy.

People who really need protection, either hire a bodyguard, buy a gun and learn how to use it, manage their lifestyle to avoid dangerous scenarios or all of the above. If you have $50 K to throw at a dog that you will probably never use, well... go for it. Doesn't bother me.

Which begs the question- why are PPDs so much pricier than a working police K9? A K9 is very likely to be used, and quite frequently, in his working career. He might very well fight a bad guy. A PPD is almost never used, I can't remember hearing a story of a celebrity and their PPD getting in a fight with an attacker, with the PPD staying in the fight and taking down the attacker. I have, on the other hand, frequently heard of police K9s tracking down a suspect and also staying in the fight with an armed suspect even when injured... perhaps it is simply opportunity and tells us nothing about the quality of the dog, but it does make me wonder.
This is my observation, too. Personal protection dogs are, in general, a lot of money spent for nothing.

My observation from owning several GSDs is that training them to protect me was not the problem. The problem was usually more along the lines of getting them to calm down and not eat the friendly visitors. I can't imagine how scary they would be if I trained them to be scary. As far as attacking people, they would go into "kill" mode if they sensed any danger, without me telling them to. No need for commands, because if it is that big a threat I might not be focusing on the dog, anyway.

Furthermore, if you launch a dog against someone who has not already attacked you, you could be up for assault with a deadly weapon, or worse. Then you get to court and the jury finds out you trained the dog to attack someone who had not already made contact with you, and you are done, both criminally and civilly.

I would much rather be telling a story to the cops along the lines of the guy hit me, or knocked me down, and my dog killed him on its own while I was helpless. And every GSD I have had would kill someone who attacked me - without training.
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...And every GSD I have had would kill someone who attacked me - without training.
How do you know that? Did any of your dogs even ever have any live bites? What bloodlines were they from?
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