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post #1 of 19 (permalink) Old 11-01-2016, 03:32 PM Thread Starter
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Should you use a prong collar on a PP dog?

I am wondering if a prong collar will effect the way a dog is taught to protect. Might be a newb question but I never had a PP dog and I always used prong collar for my previous dogs to help with chasing squirrels into the road and pulling and such. Now when you have a PP dog, I would think that the prong will kill the drive of the dog. Any experienced handlers can chime in here?
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The prong will not kill drive. We use prongs in protection work. Your dog has to be able to work through pain and discomfort. If it can't, then it won't be a PP dog.
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Think more about timing. Whatever collar, that's where you'll end up with conflicts. Make sure you train with someone good too.
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There are many on here that have trained their dogs in varying venues, including PP, without the use of prong collars.
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Prong collar pops will sometimes ramp up a dog, build up the drive state.
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There are many on here that have trained their dogs in varying venues, including PP, without the use of prong collars.
Maybe I wasn't clear enough, this is the situation I am wondering about:
Let's say you're on a walk and a mugger approaches you, the dog was taught with a agitation collar, but on walks I use a prong collar just for security (chasing squirrels, stuff like that). Will the dog hesitate when it feels the prong on the neck and think of it as a correction to not bark or go after the mugger?
That is kind of the thought process I had going.
Again sorry for the newb question, I've had GSDs most of my life but never trained in PP.
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I've had a PPD and never would have even thought about using a prong on her. Her training was solid, she wore a flat color. Personally I don't think I'd want a PPD that needed a prong for control, at that level the dog should ignore squirrels and anything else. The dog's attention is on you and around you, and only that. If you're not being threatened all else is ignored.
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Sorry, unable to edit. Collar, not color.
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Maybe I wasn't clear enough, this is the situation I am wondering about:
Let's say you're on a walk and a mugger approaches you, the dog was taught with a agitation collar, but on walks I use a prong collar just for security (chasing squirrels, stuff like that). Will the dog hesitate when it feels the prong on the neck and think of it as a correction to not bark or go after the mugger?
That is kind of the thought process I had going.
Again sorry for the newb question, I've had GSDs most of my life but never trained in PP.
Don't apologize for the newbie questions.

I can't answer your question. I have six GSDs now. Five are working line. One a trained PPD. Another has over the top prey drive. None of them need a prong collar for security like chasing unexpected squirrels, cats, deer and stuff.

If I were in your shoes, I would scrap the focus of expecting to have to use a prong collar as a possible preventative in exchange for focusing on achieving this level of behavior.
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A dog that can't work through a prong collar, should not be a PPD. Just my two cents. I use prongs in protection a lot. I use them to increase the fight and bring out aggression in a dog.
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